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Should realistic sniper rifle be kept on GODZ server?

Yes.
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The rifle on GODZ server

Postby Dae » Tue Sep 20, 05 9:28 pm

I and NoChance are having an e-mail discussion of use of realistic sniper rifle (basicly its a normal sniper rifle with increased damage) on his GODZ server. As for me, I don't like the idea.

From e-mails:

- what does Dae say:
I'm interested why did you put the GODZ realistic rifle on? Now the sniper rifle got a default name but the damage is still the same. One shot with a scope even to a toe of left leg will result a death of the victim :( There are a few issues about it:
- mine and every other european player's ping is above 250 (mine is ~300-350). That's why i prefer having close range battles because sniping with this ping is possible, but really really HARD. This gives a huge advantage to Americans, because to snipe in any part of the body with an average ping of 130 (and sometimes i see people with a ping of 50!!) is really nothing to do: is this player experienced or just started playing the game. I'm fine that they have a ping advantage, it's always like that on any server, but this rifle increased a unfairness of the game by like 10 times.
- on HorizonBeach from time to time the game looks like a slaughter. Because one team spawns in a place with sniper rifle, and the other - without. They just stand still and i can't do anything with that. I can't get 20mm, i can't run into sewer to get in the base. When sniper rifle was normal, it was harder to snipe me for enemies, so i could reach the sewer or a room with 20mm in at least 50% of cases
- i've tryed a lot of multiplayer games but i still prefer Deus Ex. There are several reasons, but the main is that its quite hard to get a one shot kill (especially in augs). Difficulty of one-shot killing brought long and exciting battles in close combat and it made so experience matters more than luck unlike in the rest of the games. Now its all about luck. The person who shoot first, wins. I'm sure you know how it feels! I've been playing since 2000 (like you, i guess) and now its like my experience costs nothing!


- what does NoChance say:
I put in the realistic sniper rifle to balance the game so the newer players would have less of a tendency to quit when facing opponents that abuse the characteristics of the 3x scope to use it in melee fights. Increasing abuse of the 3x scope has spawned the need to balance the game to keep people playing dx. Many people with higher pings were complaining that they had no chance whatsoever in close combat if this issue was not resolved. Complaints were pouring in that this was the only game in the world that you did not die when you got hit directly in the heart. All snipers and hunter know that a heart shot if fatal... many many people were complaining that they were hitting people directly in the heart and they weren't dieing. For you and I this doesn't seem to be a problem but for the new players that have never played this game before, hitting some one in the heart with a 3x damage scope should obviously kill them. when it doesn't kill them they leave and proclaim to all there friends that DX is full of cheaters and we are all running around with god mode on....In order to increase our base of players in the community I have leveled the playing field somewhat. I realize that a hit in the foot should not be fatal but the models pain zones don't allow for more specific injury zones. If I could I would re create the dx models to have body organ zones of different damage but I just don't have the time to attempt to do these sort of things. but just in the case that you did not notice a flesh wound with this rifle will not kill you it must be a direct hit. Have you noticed that some times you turn yellow or red with out dyeing? So the damage is not 100% every time you get hit ,only on good solid hits.

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Postby Zantinzuken » Tue Sep 20, 05 9:49 pm

I agree with you Dae, the sniper is only in that server, so if/when they leave and go into another server they realise they're not getting chest kills.

It's like Augs, they leave a 0-aug game for augs, lose horribly then think that it's "nub" to use. Then go back to 0-augs.
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Postby clyzm » Tue Sep 20, 05 10:12 pm

NoChanc and his server sucks.

I disagree with his server even being there.
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Postby Trailmix » Tue Sep 20, 05 11:22 pm

Does anyone here think melee snipe is abusive? :?
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Postby Zarger » Wed Sep 21, 05 1:19 am

I don't know, but I guess I would think it should still be on the server, because GODZ Server is the best server for Newcomers/Trainers or mainly people who like big bangs. The people that go on GODZ Server don't like snipers so the realistic sniper was a good idea.
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Postby Dejavu » Wed Sep 21, 05 7:27 am

~[A]Zarger~ wrote:because GODZ Server is the best server for Newcomers/Trainers


you got that wrong. ppl hate DX just bcos of GODZ style. many dont fucking care about sniper, but they see:
1. terrible lag
2. unbalanced maps, maps that look like a 5y old child made them
3. unbalanced weapons (20mm HE)

these are the first 3 things on my mind and are very important for new players. you cant expect to get new players into the game, if you offer them laggy server.

and about that realistic sniper. DZ thinks the same as you dae. unfortunatelly, we cant do anything.

anyway, ive played 0aug a bit yesterday (GM). i cant believe how boring this game become. in my days even in 0aug was some more action, lams, and better fights. nowadays, ppl just crouch still on same place and shoot you with assault rifle. or if theres a big distance, snipe. whoever still says that augs sux, doesnt know whats he talking about.
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Postby ~{17}~JIN~ » Wed Sep 21, 05 8:54 am

they should take off the 20mm and the realistic sniper :(


ppl keep on spawn killing like that :( its really f00king gay
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Postby DOGNY » Wed Sep 21, 05 10:57 am

~[A]tomsk~ wrote:NoChanc and his server sucks.

I disagree with his server even being there.


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Postby Alex » Wed Sep 21, 05 1:34 pm

I hate that realistic sniper, i always get killed by noobs (no offence) who can't aim at someone's head.
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Postby -TheSpecialist- » Wed Sep 21, 05 4:34 pm

The only real thing that matters to new players these days is to get kills. The GODZ server is much like a refuge to those who can't play well in other game types and tend to love the style. We can't do anything about it. Unless for some reason the server goes down then, the population will be spread upon the remaining lifeless servers. Which then presents an interesting scenario. It's either the heavily aliased players beat up on them or actually help them learn the basics. And in time learn to enter other servers without being helpless. :idea:
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Postby clyzm » Wed Sep 21, 05 6:44 pm

-Majin- wrote:they should take off the 20mm and the realistic sniper :(


ppl keep on spawn killing like that :( its really f00king gay


That's why you should stop going there. 8)
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Postby Amme » Wed Sep 21, 05 7:12 pm

I go there from time to time but people always yell at me saying

"UR SHIT UR JUST GOOD IN DIS SERVER WITH NOOB STUFF AND NOOB PLAYERS, COME TO VOID SERVER AND ILL SHOW U REAL SKILL FAG NOOB"

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Postby Dejavu » Wed Sep 21, 05 7:18 pm

-TheSpecialist[A]- wrote:The only real thing that matters to new players these days is to get kills. The GODZ server is much like a refuge to those who can't play well in other game types and tend to love the style. We can't do anything about it. Unless for some reason the server goes down then, the population will be spread upon the remaining lifeless servers. Which then presents an interesting scenario. It's either the heavily aliased players beat up on them or actually help them learn the basics. And in time learn to enter other servers without being helpless. :idea:


good augged players are ALWAYS willing to help, if someone asks them. ive made some experiments by myself, acting like im newbie, asking around what is that and i always got the answer. nochanc is a man with a short view. he cant include all factors that develop the community. he thinks by spoiling newbies gives you bigger community, but in fact it ruins it. as i said up, not many ppl like GODZ server and its lag. plus old players are leaving.

amazing, ive met a new player today again. that inspired me to make a website (www.deusex.tk) - dxmp newbie guide, where the hardest style is explained. its still under construction and a lot more stuff i expect to add. if theres anyone interested, you can help me on following ways:
- with website
- support good demos, teaching demos, demos showing tricks
- with good non laggy augmented servers (basic or advanced)
- being you as a teacher
- advertising this website to newbies (bind the url to one of your keys and then press it every few minutes when you play)

this is much better solution than spoiling newbies. we should not misslook the fact that DXMP (augs) IS the hardest online game.
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Postby xProtocol Rain » Wed Sep 21, 05 7:21 pm

i voted no because the realistic sniper rifle is just stupid in my opinion..i aggree with atomsk on this one.....he should just trash that server..

"many many people were complaining that they were hitting people directly in the heart and they weren't dieing."

is it our fault that these kids dont know how to strafe from left to right and aim for the head?.....no it isnt... :?

"In order to increase our base of players in the community I have leveled the playing field somewhat."


oh yeah he leveled it out alright.....by putting 20mm and fucking turrets on...GG.. :x :?

"Complaints were pouring in that this was the only game in the world that you did not die when you got hit directly in the heart."

the way the damage works isnt that specific on this game....its also not our fault that n00bs dont realize this yet. :?
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Postby ~{17}~JIN~ » Wed Sep 21, 05 7:31 pm

Amme wrote:I go there from time to time but people always yell at me saying

"UR poop UR JUST GOOD IN DIS SERVER WITH NOOB STUFF AND NOOB PLAYERS, COME TO VOID SERVER AND ILL SHOW U REAL SKILL FAG NOOB"

etc.



lol


im starting to hate that server a lot. :( I hate the spawn killing the most. And amme dont worry about all that.... they call anyone that.. especially [GoDZ]Dammit.. he almost got me banned cuz i was whupping his buttster... So dont worry m8, just play for the fun of it. They just hate ppl who are better then them.
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Postby Zarger » Wed Sep 21, 05 10:58 pm

Meh, his server is good but I don't play there.

Basically if you go in, there would be alot of beginners there. Do beginners like snipers? Hell no. If you don't like there server don't go there. Its an attraction to noobs.
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Postby Trailmix » Wed Sep 21, 05 11:32 pm

To make the noobs stay, I think we should start a training thing like DejaVu did for augs except this one for non-augs. I was playing under alias yesterday in Rhinos, and just cus the other team wasn't doing so good, they actually admit that they were bored and left. Most people stay playing in servers cus they get a good score. They can only do that in GODZ. They don't get much training with those pieces of crap and stick to GODZ.
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Postby Krieg » Thu Sep 22, 05 7:24 pm

delete it , its bullshit how many times i get shot by people that can only aim on my torso with luck
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Postby Cozmo » Thu Sep 22, 05 7:39 pm

i object!
making a sniper kill in one shot anywhere is FAR to easy for snipers with very good ping like me :)
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Postby clyzm » Thu Sep 22, 05 9:51 pm

Besides, if the newbies come to GODZ, they will start bragging about how good they are.
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Postby Trailmix » Thu Sep 22, 05 11:52 pm

But then they get owned in a regular server. :P
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