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by **Chococat** » Fri Sep 01, 06 9:01 pm

Hehehe, apart from my total lack of morals

Can't wait to see ya when I get back to Preston! Only a week to gooo and I've not started packing anything yet or figured out how I'm going to afford alcohol, I mean ermm.. food.. until my student loan comes through. :roll:

by **clyzm** » Fri Sep 01, 06 9:27 pm

Meh.

I'm starting to wonder if people really hate windows, or just want to get attention by not being the typical windows user.

by **~D[A]rren~** » Fri Sep 01, 06 9:31 pm

Chococat wrote:Hehehe, apart from my total lack of morals

Can't wait to see ya when I get back to Preston! Only a week to gooo and I've not started packing anything yet or figured out how I'm going to afford alcohol, I mean ermm.. food.. until my student loan comes through.

Can't wait to see you either, this years going to be cool! We had so much fun in very little time last time so its gunna be ace. I'm sure you'll get by =P When does it come through?

by **Chococat** » Fri Sep 01, 06 10:06 pm

I don't know actually. I might check on the website or summat. I got my confirmation through of gettin a full loan so I know I get like four grand.

I'm starting to wonder if people really hate windows, or just want to get attention by not being the typical windows user.

After attempting linux I actually appreciate windows rofl. Its just more convenient and barely owt is compatible with linux anyway :roll:

by **kBo** » Sat Sep 02, 06 5:34 am

[A] Cataclyzm wrote:Meh.

I'm starting to wonder if people really hate windows, or just want to get attention by not being the typical windows user.

Ooh... now that I'm learning the really low-level stuff that goes on in the Windows kernel and whatnot, I'm definitely hating Windows. It's almost impossible to write certain kinds of shellcode for Win32 because a critical function (forget which atm, it's in the Shellcoder's Handbook) is buggy and won't accept filepaths with periods in them. And some functions require the stack to be aligned or else they crash.

I'm not saying Linux is perfect, I'm just saying that from what I've seen it's less fucked up than Windows is.

by **clyzm** » Sat Sep 02, 06 6:08 am

Tbh I couldn't care if I had a Linux or a Windows. I don't care about software updates, they are not critical like some people think. My computer is not the best, but I'm happy with it. It doesn't have the latest graphics card and whatnot. It doesn't have as much RAM as most uptodate computers have; it doesn't even have worthy space. But I'm happy with it, and if I could update it I would, but to some people that is critical that they get the latest Linux or whatever; they are the same people that think it's superior, that would bash MS users and befriend LX users.

by **DarkKnight** » Sat Sep 02, 06 9:14 am

Chococat wrote:After attempting linux I actually appreciate windows rofl. Its just more convenient and barely owt is compatible with linux anyway

Just out of curiousity, what Linux did you try?
(And why?)

Tbh I couldn't care if I had a Linux or a Windows. I don't care about software updates, they are not critical like some people think. My computer is not the best, but I'm happy with it. It doesn't have the latest graphics card and whatnot. It doesn't have as much RAM as most uptodate computers have; it doesn't even have worthy space. But I'm happy with it, and if I could update it I would, but to some people that is critical that they get the latest Linux or whatever; they are the same people that think it's superior, that would bash MS users and befriend LX users.

I think the big thing people have a problem with is they boot Linux and expect it to be Windows, when it just isn't. Linux is not for a casual user, as most of the features apply to power users.

When you get really fustrated with Windows, you'll understand the position of Linux more.
(The easy way; Try developing software for windows.

)

by **Alistair** » Sat Sep 02, 06 10:16 am

Chococat wrote:
[A] Cataclyzm wrote:Of course, Linux just dominates all of them >=D.

I tried Linux for the first time ever today.

Choco no likey.

My mp3 player is 20gb, I only got around 800 songs on it atm but I've only had it since Xmas. It got accidentally wiped once when my laptop died halfway through transfer but oh well, I lost like 100 tracks at the time. Oh and its not ipod, I just don't like 'em.

Which distro may I ask? (follow up to steve)

Coding in Windows its like ...

:@

Rename this topic to Ipods and their fools.

by **~D[A]rren~** » Sat Sep 02, 06 12:32 pm

The one reason I didn't like Linux: I didn't know how to install/compile something or whatever its called and I couldn't be assed learning at the time.

by **DarkKnight** » Sat Sep 02, 06 4:30 pm

~D[A]rren~ wrote:The one reason I didn't like Linux: I didn't know how to install/compile something or whatever its called and I couldn't be assed learning at the time.

Say you are looking for a web browser on a Debian based system;

Code: Select all: apt-cache search internet browser <insert long list of packages with brief descriptions/> apt-cache show mozilla-firefox <insert detailed information on the package mozilla-firefox/> apt-get install mozilla-firefox

Or, GUI version. (And out of the box capable on Ubuntu)

Menu -> System -> Synaptic.

Search for 'Internet browser'.

Click on 'mozilla-firefox'.

Click 'Install'.

Click 'Apply'.

To compile from source;
Download the source tarball with your newly installed firefox.

Extract it in a directory. (You can do this in a GUI.)

open a comand prompt, and cd to the directory you just extracted the files to.

type 'make'
then 'sudo make install'
(Or do the last step as root.)

OR, just compile it like you would if it was your project.

Not much to it eh?

(Unless you tried a RPM distro, GOD they suck...)

Edit: It's worth noting that you hardly ever need to compile a package on Linux these days. It's good to know how, but far from essential.

by **Chococat** » Sat Sep 02, 06 6:35 pm

DarkKnight wrote:
Chococat wrote:After attempting linux I actually appreciate windows rofl. Its just more convenient and barely owt is compatible with linux anyway

Just out of curiousity, what Linux did you try?
(And why?)

Haven't a clue, it was Rob's linuxyness not mine. I was curious what it actually looked like and operated like so he showed me.(He prefers Windows :wink:

)

by **DarkKnight** » Sat Sep 02, 06 6:48 pm

Chococat wrote:
DarkKnight wrote:
Chococat wrote:After attempting linux I actually appreciate windows rofl. Its just more convenient and barely owt is compatible with linux anyway

Just out of curiousity, what Linux did you try?
(And why?)

Haven't a clue, it was Rob's linuxyness not mine. I was curious what it actually looked like and operated like so he showed me.(He prefers Windows )

OFF WIV 'IS 'EAD! >=[

Seriously though, I can think of no real reason a developer would favour Windows, save 1.
(And thats if he's a designer, as Windows actually has more programs open to it then Linux or Mac.)

by **Chococat** » Sat Sep 02, 06 8:10 pm

Well he works on Xbox360 games so his computer is specced out as closely to a 360 as possible. He likes microsoft ^.^

by **DarkKnight** » Sun Sep 03, 06 7:30 am

Chococat wrote:Well he works on Xbox360 games so his computer is specced out as closely to a 360 as possible. He likes microsoft ^.^

He's a weirdo. ¬_____¬

Down with the evil X-box!

by **Chococat** » Tue Sep 05, 06 3:15 pm

He's not a wierdo he's worked on games for the PC and PS2 too. : )

by **James** » Tue Sep 05, 06 3:18 pm

Well he is weird for different reasons.

by **DarkKnight** » Tue Sep 05, 06 3:24 pm

Chococat wrote:He's not a wierdo he's worked on games for the PC and PS2 too. : )

X-box 360 turns normal people into weirdo's > : [

by **Wasted** » Tue Sep 05, 06 3:29 pm

DarkKnight wrote:
Chococat wrote:He's not a wierdo he's worked on games for the PC and PS2 too. : )

X-box 360 turns normal people into weirdo's > : [

Don't start an X-box flame topic. Although I'd love one.

by **C:Enter:£££** » Tue Sep 05, 06 6:17 pm

To even it off, 360's make you a weirdo, the price of a PS3 makes you homeless.

I've had my 20gb iPod for nearly 2 years and have had no problems whatsoever, I just don't like the fact of using iTunes to add music to it, and you can't choose what songs you want to put on it

But other than that, I've dropped it plenty of times, never crashed, corrupted, wiped or anything.

by **Imperial** » Tue Sep 05, 06 6:21 pm

I just find $150 for a 1gb ipod is a bit much.

by **Alistair** » Tue Sep 05, 06 6:21 pm

James wrote:Well he is weird for different reasons.

Now wheres the dancing lock with you need it...

by **ynnaD** » Tue Sep 05, 06 7:01 pm

Antechrist wrote:To even it off, 360's make you a weirdo, the price of a PS3 makes you homeless.

I've had my 20gb iPod for nearly 2 years and have had no problems whatsoever, I just don't like the fact of using iTunes to add music to it, and you can't choose what songs you want to put on it But other than that, I've dropped it plenty of times, never crashed, corrupted, wiped or anything.

*Cough Limewire - MP3 player = best friend Cough*

by **C:Enter:£££** » Tue Sep 05, 06 7:32 pm

What? lol No I don't use Limewire if that's what you were getting at.

by **DarkKnight** » Tue Sep 05, 06 8:45 pm

Antechrist wrote:What? lol No I don't use Limewire if that's what you were getting at.

Install Linux on your iPod.

by **C:Enter:£££** » Tue Sep 05, 06 10:16 pm

What would this let me do? Play music exactly the same?!

What have I been missing?!

by **DarkKnight** » Wed Sep 06, 06 5:42 pm

Antechrist wrote:What would this let me do? Play music exactly the same?! What have I been missing?!

Applications

Boa - Web Server

Status: Not really started

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... .php?t=163).

FloydZilla

Status: Working (somewhat)

Can also be found here (http://www.dansfloyd.com).

Owen OS

Status: Just Started

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/Owen_OS).

iZilla, Wheel GUI, and Circle Based GUI - GUIs for ipodlinux

Status:

iZilla: in progress (Works in pz0, pz2 module in progress)

Wheel GUI: Dropped

Circle Based GUI: Dropped, source available

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/iZilla).

iSight - HTML Viewer

Status: Not really started

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=16564).

LET BASIC - BASIC Interpreter

Status: Working

Can be found here.

Metronome

Status: Working

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2640).

MikModPodzilla - Podzilla variant with the MikMod music module engine

Status: Beta

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... php?t=1515).

MultiConvert - A program to convert any unit of any type to all other units of that type in "real time"

Status: Working

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2387).

Periodic Table - Periodic Table for the iPod

Status: Working

podzilla - GUI for uClinux

Status: Working

Can be found here.

A number of customized builds exist of podzilla, and can be found at podzillae.

pdPod - Pure Data (PD) for the iPod

Status: Working

Installation guide, podzilla GUI binaries and examples are in the wiki.

PDa source can be found here (http://gige.xdv.org/pages/pd/).

sash

Status: Working

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... c.php?t=61).

minix-sh

Status: Working

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4004).

viP - Text Editor

Status: In Progress

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... =3464#3464).

Mv Video Player (http://ipodlinux.org/Mv_player) - Plays compressed videos

Status: Working (No offical release yet)

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.p ... 28&start=0) and obtained here (http://www.justgeek.de/moviepod/).
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Other

aalib - Portable ASCII art graphics library

Status: Working

Can be found here.

iPod to iPod connection - (SCSI Diskmode)-->

Status: Working, Slow

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... c.php?t=75).

Xcode Project - Code podzilla apps in Xcode

Status: Working - must read forum though

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... .php?t=412).

Python - Write Python programs on your iPod

Status: Unknown

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1945) and here (http://ciberjacobo.com/en/linux_on_ipod.html#python).

Ncurses - Write ncurses programs on your iPod

Status: Unknown

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=354).

Wikipedia - Carry the whole WikiPedia around on your iPod

Status: Unknown

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2963), here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7541) or here (http://encyclopodia.sourceforge.net/en/index.html).
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Games

Bb - A text-mode demo with sound

Status: Beta (works partially, but the graphics are distorted, needs debugging).

Chopper - Game

Status: Working

Based on: this (http://www.hurtwood.demon.co.uk/Fun/copter.swf).

Connect 4 - Two Player

Status: Working

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... .php?t=205).

Connect 4 - Single Player

Status: Working, I think

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... .php?t=208).

Doom - Game

Status: Working

Can be found here (http://idoom.hyarion.com).

To Hell And Back - 2d side scrolling game

Status: Early Alpha (no source or binary available)

HuntTheWumpus - Game

Status: in podzilla

Old info found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=18192).

iHalo_deathmatch (Halo Deathmatches) - DOOM WAD

Status: Very early stages - still Beta

Can be found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/iHalo_deathmatch)

iRoids (Asteroids) - Game

Status: Working - still beta?

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.p ... sc&start=0).

iTanks - Game

Status: Alpha

KabooM! - Game

Status: Working

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=4145).

KeyMan - Game

Status: Working beta

Can be found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1600).

Lemmings - Strategy game and Level editor

Status: Temporarily paused in favor of physics engines for PodPool and Podgolf. Sorry from ichaelmay8(author of rewrite).

Progress updates can be found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/lemmings)

Lights (Lights Out) - Game

Status: in podzilla

Old info found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=10965).

Minesweeper - Game

Status: in podzilla

Old info here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... .php?t=351).

Pacman - Game

Status: In Progress (no one is currently working on this)

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... .php?t=508).

PodDraw (Etch-A-Sketch) - Toy

Status: in podzilla

Old info here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=937).

PodGolf - Golf Game and course editor

Status: In Progress

Progress updates can be found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/lemmings).

PodMan (Hangman) - Game

Status: Beta, (Console only)

Can be found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=9799).

PodPool - Pool Game

Status: In Progress

Progress updates can be found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/lemmings)

Pong - Game

Status: in podzilla

Old info here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... .php?t=269).

Snake - Snake with multiple levels

Status: Working

Can be found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=8221).

Subhunt - Game

Status: Working

TuxChess - Game

Status: in podzilla

Old info here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... .php?t=105).

Vortex (Tempest) - Game

Status: In Progress

Can be found here (http://www.ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=886).

Worm - A snake-like game

Status: Working
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Emulators

iNES - Nintendo Emulator

Only for the 5G, photo support being worked on.

5G binary available.

iBoy - GameBoy emulator

Status: Working

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.sourceforge.net/forums ... .php?t=309).

ipodmame - MAME (Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator!)

Only for 5g and nano

iGameGear - GameGear/Sega Master System emulator

Status: early coding stages

Can be found here (http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9561).

by **Conceited** » Wed Sep 06, 06 8:07 pm

~[A]Daedalus~ wrote:My dad owns 60 GB iPod. He likes it very much and I haven't ever heard any complaints about it from him.

Same boat, mines a video ipod and I've yet to have a problem with it.

by **Bob** » Wed Sep 06, 06 8:57 pm

Putting Doom on your iPod is possible?!

Shit yea!

by **C:Enter:£££** » Wed Sep 06, 06 11:01 pm

Mine is a 3rd gen iPod though, hence the 2 years. Might have to look into this linux thing though :-k

by **Fatman** » Thu Sep 07, 06 12:33 am

Lets see i have had 3 Mp3 Players
1)Rca Something or other 64mgs (Fell into Toilet, worked but had 1/2 hour batt life){$60}
2)2.5 GB Offbrad Crap, Died in four mounths{$99}
3)Creative Muvo 512mg,{$50} Still works like the day i bought it.
Never owned an Apple, or an iPod, There just to damn expensive for what you get.

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