Aliens: Do they exist or just made by an overactive child?

[Cureless_Poison]

The possibility that Earth hosts the only life in all of the universe IS universaly stupid,there are tons of other species in space,and other galaxy's just they we have yet to meet them cause we lack the technology so travel farther out of our star system and return alive.

[clyzm]

Yeah cureless, perhaps we'll meet a whole new race of aliens, they shall be named the covenant, filled with little animals called grunts and cloaking ones called elites.

[Allan]

Yeah cureless, perhaps we'll meet a whole new race of aliens, they shall be named the covenant, filled with little animals called grunts and cloaking ones called elites.

Possible, possible...

[Krieg]

Perhaps an alien landed on earth long ago , way before christ was born.The people gave the alien a name.... GOD

[Siva]

The possibility that Earth hosts the only life in all of the universe IS universaly stupid,there are tons of other species in space,and other galaxy's just they we have yet to meet them cause we lack the technology so travel farther out of our star system and return alive.

Prove dat?

[C:Enter:£££]

Perhaps an alien landed on earth long ago , way before christ was born.The people gave the alien a name.... GOD

Christianity is made up of other religions that were around before it.

[Krieg]

But each of those religions must have had a surpreme god.
AAHHH GOD IS AN ALIEN AND HE IS WATCHING YOU !

[Cureless_Poison]

The possibility that Earth hosts the only life in all of the universe IS universaly stupid,there are tons of other species in space,and other galaxy's just they we have yet to meet them cause we lack the technology so travel farther out of our star system and return alive.

Prove dat?

I can prove it as much as any christian can prove god,you dont know if its true,all you can do is hope for the best.

[Siva]

Then how can you call that stupid, and say there are blah blah blah in space. Christians have a reason for beliving in god. Your just making up random claims.

[Cureless_Poison]

Well i dont know what they're species is named,Christians dont have any reason what so ever at all for beliving in god,they belive it cause they are threatened with hell and brainwashed with the wine and bread in churches and they are forced to belive that shit,i have never met a volintary christian,every christian i have met was braught into it be some other person,and lets get back to aliens before this spirals to another religion war ,and if there's no other species,explain all the IFO/UFO's seen around places such as when 9/11 happened,you can actually see 1 ufo crash into the wolrd trade center,and you can see demons faces in the smoke,and also in some footage you can see a small bird like creature flying around,even though no birds were seen anywhere near the tower or that are of the city,and when zoomed in the bird like creature apears to be a certain demon that can be found on any site with a demon library/listing.

[Siva]

Well i dont know what they're species is named,Christians dont have any reason what so ever at all for beliving in god,they belive it cause they are threatened with hell and brainwashed with the wine and bread in churches and they are forced to belive that shit,i have never met a volintary christian,every christian i have met was braught into it be some other person,and lets get back to aliens before this spirals to another religion war ,and if there's no other species,explain all the IFO/UFO's seen around places such as when 9/11 happened,you can actually see 1 ufo crash into the wolrd trade center,and you can see demons faces in the smoke,and also in some footage you can see a small bird like creature flying around,even though no birds were seen anywhere near the tower or that are of the city,and when zoomed in the bird like creature apears to be a certain demon that can be found on any site with a demon library/listing.

1) There are MANY volunteers to ALL religions. Finding yourself blah blah.
2) Photoshop. KTHXBAI.
3) Photoshop again. KTHXBAI.

You are too gullable.

[Cereal]

If he's referring to the photos I think he is referring to, then they're not Photoshopped. He's just seeing debris in the first, and making something out of nothing in the smoke picture.


To say either way without proof that there are or aren't aliens is silly. It, as everything else, comes down to what's more likely.

Or maybe Dubya plotted with the aliens and Osama and the oil god and made the events of 9/11 take place. Yeah, that's likely.

[Siva]

Well.

I'm more right.

Humanity went to the moon, which means we have 1 more evidence than Cureless. YEY.

(No signs of life we're found on the moon.)

[Cereal]

I get where you're coming from, and even as big as the universe is, you're still technically right. It's more like .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% less likely now, though. And not really 1 to 0.

The moon hasn't been around long enough to evolve any significant lifeforms of its own, nor does it really have the capacity to do so, even given time, so it's not a very good candidate.

There aren't very many candidates in this solar system, actually. I mentioned earlier Mars and Europa, and they're the only real likely ones according to our current knowledge.

*EDIT* Reading back through this, I have to say I was wrong about the moon not being old enough. But regardless, it still can't sustain life on its own.

[clyzm]

Well i dont know what they're species is named,Christians dont have any reason what so ever at all for beliving in god,they belive it cause they are threatened with hell and brainwashed with the wine and bread in churches and they are forced to belive that shit,i have never met a volintary christian,every christian i have met was braught into it be some other person,and lets get back to aliens before this spirals to another religion war ,and if there's no other species,explain all the IFO/UFO's seen around places such as when 9/11 happened,you can actually see 1 ufo crash into the wolrd trade center,and you can see demons faces in the smoke,and also in some footage you can see a small bird like creature flying around,even though no birds were seen anywhere near the tower or that are of the city,and when zoomed in the bird like creature apears to be a certain demon that can be found on any site with a demon library/listing.

Demon faces in the smoke??

.... ROFL.

I believe in ghosts, but when people go "zomg DEMONZ" ... that's just rofl.

I think you've been watching a bit too much Inuyasha.

[Cereal]

To believe in ghosts is perfectly fine and acceptable, but to believe in demons is stupid?


I'm sorry, but: lol

[C:Enter:£££]

No there actually is what appears to be the face of "Satan" in the smoke at one point, but that's just down to the brain automatically trying to find a face in anything. Which also goes for alot of ghost photos, "oh you can see a face here", "oh look jesus is in my bathtub" etc etc.

[Siva]

To believe in ghosts is perfectly fine and acceptable, but to believe in demons is stupid?


I'm sorry, but: lol

I completely agree.

[clyzm]

To believe in ghosts is perfectly fine and acceptable, but to believe in demons is stupid?


I'm sorry, but: lol

Spirits, electromagnetic traces, Kirilin photographs. These are a few evidence of perhaps not ghosts but auras of spiritual energy. Demons is just... lol. An apple theory in the world of oranges. But then again you seem to be an expert in farfetched theories, don't you?

"oh look jesus is in my bathtub" etc etc.

LOL.

[Cereal]

To believe in ghosts is perfectly fine and acceptable, but to believe in demons is stupid?


I'm sorry, but: lol

Spirits, electromagnetic traces, Kirilin photographs. These are a few evidence of perhaps not ghosts but auras of spiritual energy. Demons is just... lol. An apple theory in the world of oranges. But then again you seem to be an expert in farfetched theories, don't you?

Expert in farfetched theories? Are you on acid? I'm always the one citing LOGIC in our debates, friend.

Electromagnatism is no evidence for ghosts. You might as well believe in faeries and unicorns, there is just as much "evidence" for those, too.

[clyzm]

I think your the one on acid and various other drugs I can't determine.

Logic? More like skeptical bullcrap that no one understands. There has been evidence of ghosts, such as the area where poltergeist activity is seen has trace amounts of magnetic energy.

[Cereal]

Then perhaps you'd like to make a topic about ghosts?



If you'll remember, you're the one who proclaimed the belief in demons to be silly, but when your beliefs were determined by me to be equally silly, you got extremely defensive. I wonder why.

Logic? More like skeptical bullcrap that no one understands.

I understand it. Any one else on this board who believes in Science above all else understands it. You don't understand it, and that's not my fault.

[clyzm]

Demons is a theory that is silly. Belief such as in evil and curses, horns and devils. How crap. It's not a choice of skepticism, it's of common sense.

At least I can back up my theory. You can't about demons. Another fact to back up my theory: areas all around the world are haunted. Even skeptics such as yourself went to those places and got their opinion changed.

I understand it. Any one else on this board who believes in Science above all else understands it. You don't understand it, and that's not my fault.

No, no one understands it. Paranormal/spirituality is a branch of methodology, which in turn is a branch of science. You claim that demons can exist alongside spirits, and when someone proves you wrong, you make a theory of absolutes, that it cannot exist simply because the other cannot exist. That is far-fetched.

[Cereal]

I can't back up what? The fact that demons exist? Of course I can't, because they don't exist. When did I say I believe in them?

You keep calling me a skeptic, and I suppose I am, but you speak of me as though I'm close minded and that couldn't be farther from the truth.

I love the paranormal, I love to read about ghosts and goblins, witches, aliens, zombies, vampires, werewolves. If I didn't, I wouldn't know so much about the paranormal. I think it would be awesome if any of them existed, but just because I think it would be cool doesn't mean I should believe in it.

If enough evidence were put forth that ghosts did exist, CERTAINLY I'd believe in it. As it is, there is nothing out there to convince me of it.


And no, I didn't say one couldn't exist without the other. I said the belief in EITHER of them, without sufficient evidence (Which you havn't presented) is equally silly, and it is. Either you're twisting my words to make my argument look bad, or you lack the capacity to understand what I'm saying. (I don't mean that to be offensive, I just think you're uneducated on the matter, is all. So please don't take it the wrong way.)

Oh and.. cite your pseudo-sciences all you want, until it's backed up by a respectable organization I won't believe it.

[clyzm]

I can't back up what? The fact that demons exist? Of course I can't, because they don't exist. When did I say I believe in them?

You keep calling me a skeptic, and I suppose I am, but you speak of me as though I'm close minded and that couldn't be farther from the truth.

I love the paranormal, I love to read about ghosts and goblins, witches, aliens, zombies, vampires, werewolves. If I didn't, I wouldn't know so much about the paranormal. I think it would be awesome if any of them existed, but just because I think it would be cool doesn't mean I should believe in it.

If enough evidence were put forth that ghosts did exist, CERTAINLY I'd believe in it. As it is, there is nothing out there to convince me of it.


And no, I didn't say one couldn't exist without the other. I said the belief in EITHER of them, without sufficient evidence (Which you havn't presented) is equally silly, and it is. Either you're twisting my words to make my argument look bad, or you lack the capacity to understand what I'm saying. (I don't mean that to be offensive, I just think you're uneducated on the matter, is all. So please don't take it the wrong way.)

Oh and.. cite your pseudo-sciences all you want, until it's backed up by a respectable organization I won't believe it.

You want evidence? Look up ghost, poltergeist, spirits and the like in www.en.wikipedia.org. If you still don't believe in them, go to your local library (if you have one) and check a book that deals with the branch of ghosts and spirits.

Still skeptic? Go on video searchers (such as youtube and metavideo) and look up ghost or poltergeist.

You'll find all those sources to prove my theories true.

Methodology is not a psuedo-science, nor is spectrology. http://dictionary.reference.com/search? ... pectrology if your not sure (again, I'm not showing off, just that I guessed that you don't know what spectrology is and you would come up with your excuses to demean me by saying I made up the word.)

Whether you want to admit it or not, you are close-minded. You keep the theory of ghosts as false and do not venture out to prove it. You do not look it up on any sources or challenge your beliefs with someone who knows so much about the subject. Meanwhile, you cannot call me close-minded. For a while I have believed in demons, but as far as looking them up or getting any insight on them, I stopped due to the idea of demons spread from religion.

[Cereal]

I've probably read as many books and seen as many videos about spooks and spectres as you have, if not more. I'm still unconvinced because there is no solid proof.

Just to get things straight, though: I used to be a Christian, and I used to believe in a lot of odd things. God and ghosts, mainly. It was only when I started reading these books (bible, torah, quran included along with a lot of other religious texts of other beliefs) did I realize how crazy the whole thing was, and realized that the "proof" was all pseudo science/faith/falsified evidence/misunderstanding etc..

[Cereal]

Methodology is not a psuedo-science, nor is spectrology. http://dictionary.reference.com/search? ... pectrology if your not sure (again, I'm not showing off, just that I guessed that you don't know what spectrology is and you would come up with your excuses to demean me by saying I made up the word.)

Whether you want to admit it or not, you are close-minded. You keep the theory of ghosts as false and do not venture out to prove it.

I wouldn't try to demean you. In fact, I have a page open now about Kirlian photography, because I'd never heard of it before.


Also: If being open minded means accepting things without evidence, then yes I am close minded.

[clyzm]

Solid evidence? Go to a place that is haunted. Better yet, look at TV shows, legitimate ones, that have REAL people going in REAL HOUSES and experiencing REAL THINGS. The show "Ghost Hunters" for example.

If you still do not believe in those things, then by far you are a skeptic of the idea. Almost like saying "i don't believe uranium exists cus i've never experienced it in real life."

It's ok to be skeptical of Big Foot, demons and the like. But there is too much evidence of at least some sort of spiritual energy in humans, if you don't like the idea of ghosts.

Also: If being open minded means accepting things without evidence, then yes I am close minded. Rolling Eyes

No, being open minded means challenging your opinion on something you believe not to be true instead of shutting the whole idea as fake without viewing it.

I myself was heavily involved in spiritual research and ghost research when I was in high school.

[Cereal]

Also: If being open minded means accepting things without evidence, then yes I am close minded. Rolling Eyes

No, being open minded means challenging your opinion on something you believe not to be true instead of shutting the whole idea as fake without viewing it.

I myself was heavily involved in spiritual research and ghost research when I was in high school.

Oh? You mean the way you deny the existance of big foot and demons, when the believers of those things have just as much evidence as the believers in ghosts? I submit that YOU are the close minded one. By your own definition, anyway.

[clyzm]

Also: If being open minded means accepting things without evidence, then yes I am close minded. Rolling Eyes

No, being open minded means challenging your opinion on something you believe not to be true instead of shutting the whole idea as fake without viewing it.

I myself was heavily involved in spiritual research and ghost research when I was in high school.

Oh? You mean the way you deny the existance of big foot and demons, when the believers of those things have just as much evidence as the believers in ghosts? I submit that YOU are the close minded one. By your own definition, anyway.

No, the theory of demons spawned from the theory of good and evil. Which is not a theory at all, more of an opinion. Therefore demons existence is an opinion, not a fact. Big Foot has a small amount of evidence, and I've researched about him, but not as much as ghosts.