Discrimination Againt US Residents

[Snakey]

i have a question, who the hell brags about the revolutionary war?

Derek does.

[Mr. Tastix]

IMO everyone is prejudice about every other country there is. To me the US is just another country that's well... there. It's obviously more powerful then the country I live in which happens to be New Zealsn but who gives a fuck?

Every country has it's upsides and it's downsides. Just hope to God that you've got more upsides then downsides or you'll be screwed by some shitty ass Government.

As for the US Government, no it's not exactly perfect. The law is a bit fucked up for the face that you can sue for almost any fucking thing but TBH, I don't give a rats ass.

All Governments are crap, IMO. I despise politics and luckily for me being an immigrant I get to choose whether to vote for my Government or not, and obvioulsy I won't vote will I?

In one way or another everyone discriminates everyone else. The US discriminates the UK and vice versa. Australia discriminates New Zealand and vice versa. Japan probably discriminate the US, but then again the US probably do it back.

A country is a country, nothing more, nothing less. It'll never change (unless it's blown sky high from a fucken nuke) and there's not much you'll do to change it.

They say one person can make a difference, well not in this case. We all have our opinions, just because the majority of people hate the US doesn't mean we all do. I have some pretty damn good friends who all live in the US and are Americans.

So just shut the fuck up about this bullshit about everyone is discriminating the US and all this other prejudice bullshit. Because when you get right down to it, we all live in the same world and whether you like it or not, we all have to live with each other in the end.

So either you can put up with some fucken arsehole being a bit discriminative or you can live your life and ignore what ONE person thinks.

So, there's my 5 bloody worthless cents. Do what you like with it all. That's my opinion and all I'm saying is you have to live with everyone in this crappy and fucked up world. If you can't live with the Americans, or the Canadins or the bloody Brits then who can you live with?

[clyzm]

IMO everyone is prejudice about every other country there is. To me the US is just another country that's well... there. It's obviously more powerful then the country I live in which happens to be New Zealsn but who gives a fuck?

Every country has it's upsides and it's downsides. Just hope to God that you've got more upsides then downsides or you'll be screwed by some shitty ass Government.

As for the US Government, no it's not exactly perfect. The law is a bit fucked up for the face that you can sue for almost any fucking thing but TBH, I don't give a rats ass.

All Governments are crap, IMO. I despise politics and luckily for me being an immigrant I get to choose whether to vote for my Government or not, and obvioulsy I won't vote will I?

In one way or another everyone discriminates everyone else. The US discriminates the UK and vice versa. Australia discriminates New Zealand and vice versa. Japan probably discriminate the US, but then again the US probably do it back.

A country is a country, nothing more, nothing less. It'll never change (unless it's blown sky high from a fucken nuke) and there's not much you'll do to change it.

They say one person can make a difference, well not in this case. We all have our opinions, just because the majority of people hate the US doesn't mean we all do. I have some pretty damn good friends who all live in the US and are Americans.

So just shut the fuck up about this bullshit about everyone is discriminating the US and all this other prejudice bullshit. Because when you get right down to it, we all live in the same world and whether you like it or not, we all have to live with each other in the end.

So either you can put up with some fucken arsehole being a bit discriminative or you can live your life and ignore what ONE person thinks.

So, there's my 5 bloody worthless cents. Do what you like with it all. That's my opinion and all I'm saying is you have to live with everyone in this crappy and fucked up world. If you can't live with the Americans, or the Canadins or the bloody Brits then who can you live with?

Good job mate. I would sum up all my rantings into your posts And I only bragged about the revoultionary war from a comical point laddies, I saw it on Comedy Central stand up nation one night, this American comedian gets into a fight with a British guy and asks him "why are you mad at me? because i won the revolutionary war?"

Not all debates are serious.

[Mecha_Vengaston]

George Bush pwns us all!

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George Bush is ace!

[Snakey]

George Bush pwns us all!

You'd be right, had you been referring to a stupidity contest.

[DarkKnight]

Now we go to the incompetence level. You say that in this debate, I am incompetent to you (don't try to debate on this fact, please, only proves my point). You say that you'd rather watch paint dry, which is a clear sign that I am incompetent in this debate, and you are the superior. So, what else? I'll just summarize all my ideas and feelings about your post into a mere synapse of my original debate (I haven't the time, gotta hit the hay in a few min). Let's just take a look at what kind of bullshit you just "wasted" typing:

*sigh*

I'd rather watch paint dry, not because I am claiming me > you, but rather because if you are going to apply rules for your arguement and rules for mine, then I might as well waste my time else where, because all we'll achive is insulting each other, which you are doing quite well. Understood?

The reason I debate things, any things, is always the same; 1) I belive in the subject, 2) I'm bored, 3) To debate untill we have a better understanding.

In the begining, you asked a question, "Why is the US being descriminated against?", I took your post and broke it down into what made you 'typically American', to which you over did your block in and grab your flame thrower, and here we are now.

1) You are an American, with very little if any outside knowledge of the world, arguing that the whole world is attacking America.

This further explains my point, you know nothing of me. I've been to England, Denmark, Tokyo, Mexico, and much much more. So, why bother trying to explain me? I could be a muslim, a christian, an anti-christian, a Jew, a Neonazi, anything. Yet you presume that I am a full-time "typical" American. If you are trying to find a way to counterpoint this, please don't use "judging from the facts you presented", because it forces my first impression ideology even further, which will, in term, make you look like a living, breathing contradiction.

Experinces mean nothing. And since you are living in America, and not living in those countries, your 'facts' and experiences are worthless. You have already made generalisations about me, does that mean you are ignorant more so because you have not lived in Australia? And how long exactly do you decree that you must live in each country? And lets not get into the idea of how long ago this all was.

Speaking as a student who's Japanese teacher worked and lived in Japan for 12 years, and taking his own words into this debate; "I never stopped being Australian.". He teached English in a international school in Japan, so he had a full cross selection of nationalities, and yet he never stopped being Australian, like you'll never stop being American.

2) You are assuming to set bounderies on what does and doesn't count as facts, without prior knowledge nor advanced comprehension skills.

Wow, who came up with this bright idea No, I am not setting any boundaries, I am actually forcing an opinion on the right facts and the wrong facts (i.e your facts, imho). No comment on the prior knowledge bit, except for the fact that you are trying to state you are superior to force your facts.

Maybe it's just me, but when someone reacts with a flame when there are many questions to be posed in it's place, it shows a lack of understanding.

Again, you are assuming you have the right facts, and since we are talking about an opinion based on millions of subjects world wide, these are facts you can never posses. Thus, by stating you have "the right facts", you are only fueling miss-understanding.

Example: Some Americans think that bombing Japan with the H-Bomb was the right thing to do. Some Americans don't. In truth, although there are facts to support either arguement, the large portion of the arguement is down to opinions. However such showings of force that America feels the need to show(See: Gulf war.), only increases the global dislike.

3) The facts presented to you are seen only as attacks on America, regardless of origin.

General attacks. Like you said, impossible to trace all of them down. But I guess your hypocrisy only matches the amount of contradiction in your posts.

You didn't rebut the statement.

If, for example I present a fact saying that "9 out of 10 Americans drive gas guzzlers"(Assume, for this example, it is correct), you in turn simply see it as a blanket attack on America, and flame as such. The most logical cause of action would be to challenge why they think that/present facts to counter them, not flame them for thinking that.

I'm begining to think you are more interested in flaming people who don't like the US then actually answering any questions.

4) You say that living in the US is the only way to be able to give accurate facts on Americans, but then procede to assume you know what international posters are thinking, without first living in their country of origin.

Now, where did I say this? With all of your pride and confidence in knowing oh so much about the US, I just made a prediction that you've been there, but then this came up and starts sprouting from the misintepretation that you come up with.

Oh, now suddenly I'm misintepreting your posts.

Let me point a few out to some people who THINK they are philosphers:

That's a mighty big assumtion.

The normal, general, stereotyped image for an American is: an ignorant man or woman with Surfer accent and speech. That is totally wrong. Not all americans are idiots; not all of us are surfers; and not all of us are stubborn.

*Buzz* Wrong. You can only guess as to my view on a 'typical' American, and you guessed wrong, despite the fact I gave quite a lot of hints. (It may shock you, but I also don't think of all Americans as rednecks. )

B - That is just clear offensive. Americans DO use logic. You are the most self-advocated, arrogant anti-American I have met.

*Buzz* Incorrect. Americans use logic, yes, but to assume that every American uses logic at all times, when they clearly don't, is arrogant. I suppose it's my fault though, for not putting a 'or' before C).

To get it made in the US? The US isn't overly populated; and we did not hire Chinese, Indo-Australians and Eastern Asians to do work for us; they in fact, volunteered, as there are a mass population in China and they have to work to feed their families, regardless of the currency.

*Buzz* Incorrect. I'm guessing Chinese women "volunteered' to be beaten, and payed shit wages? They work because they have no choice, personal opinions have nothing to do with it. American companies turn a blind eye to such happenings.

An experience doesn't prove anything.

*Buzz* Incorrect. If you experince the same result multiple times, it proves a point. This is how almost all scientific theories are realised.


This may shock you, but not only does our news keep us up-to-date with American happenings, not only do we get American news shows via SBS, but we are also effected by American laws, politics, and events. Every time the US has a brain fart, we smell it.

Let me ask you this; What makes you think you know anything about what goes on in the US? You live in the US? And? Japanese soldiers living in The Philippines for 60 years knew nothing of The Philippines. (An extreme example, however I hope it gets the point accross.)

Experiences are all that humans have, without them we are nought but empty shells, waiting to die. It is the experiences we have that define the way we think, the way we feel, and indeed the way we look. You would be wise to remember this.

Now, what happened to mind, body and soul? I thought that made up humans, not "experiences". You could presumely try to counteract this, but of course, will only end in your own hypocrisy. Sorry, a presumption

Mind body and soul is shaped by Experiences, you dolt.
(Seriously, you are fighting this debate because of your experinces.)

Want a medal? No seriously, you're doing such a good job standing up for the billions of poor, poor, Americans who are loosing sleep over the fact the world hates them. Bravo.

No, I am just defending my point of view on the verbal attack on America. Of course, only someone like you wouldn't understand this. =)

Then perhaps you should challenge an opinion, instead of flaming in the name of the greater good.

Again, you are doing your block in when you have failed to read between the fucking lines, you dolt.

There is, in theory, no lines to be read between. Just hypocrites like you who state they are. Like you say, "bravo."

Nice way to dodge a point.

Ouch, I'm hurtin' bad over your need to call me a name which, I'm sure, makes you feel smarter.

A comical remark in a debate, but in truth I am curious in what goes on in that void of a mind of yours . No need to take it so seriously

I have a dry sense of humour, you better get use to it if you are going to continue.

You ignorant twat. Please, any day, quote me as saying "All Americans are fat".

"All americans are ignorant."

*cough*

quote me as saying "All Americans are fat".

All Americans are ignorant of something, however you seem to be thinking ignorance == stupidity. Check your definitions, then tell me the how, when, why, and who of space travel, physics, religion, debates, and morality.

We are all ignorant of something, the differences is some of us know it.

Again, you are proving my point of "America can't be hated! It's all their fault!". But hey, you missed the point of the ratio as well, so this doesn't surprise me any more.

Again, this proving my point, inferiority and superiority. I would explain more, but I don't feel like doing so (even though I have again and again and again).

And I'm the one that is suppose to have the superiority complex...

And as a side note; My Hallmarks, which you so want to put down, not only show in all of your posts thus far, but also have an error ratio in the 10% area.

No, I just hate someone who can immediately recognize americans by your so-called Hallmarks. If I would make a hallmark, I would say that all Australians are stubborn, and that they think they are superior to the rest of the world. Hey, look, an australian with the hallmark of being a stubborn hypocrite. Get the point? =)

No, your point is stupid.

Your hallmarks would be highly inaccurate, thus useless. The sheer fact is, that like it or not, there are hallmarks that almost all of the Americans I've been in contact with thus far share. You are no exception, even though you consider your self not to be typically american and not a patriot.

If you wanted good Australian Hallmarks, you'd be more likely to get more hits with these; Knows what a Tim-Tam is. Loves sport. Can swim. Calls soccer, soccer. Ends every second setence with "mate". Poses every sentence as a question.

Most of that is 'typically' Australian, and America has it's own furbles.

You see, here in lies your problem, you are defending the generalising of America, by in turn spouting factless opinions and generalising the whole world. But hey, I'm sure this doesn't count since you aren't generalising America.

Hmm ... I once remember saying something called a paradox of generalization. But hey, I guess not everyone understands a waste of time, and in fact, tries to refuel the same idea that they are countering. =)

If you can't make an arguement against generalising, without generlising, you are doomed to fail. Is that too hard to understand?
(Hint: I'm not argueing against generalisations.)

And I never did, you moron. You are taking an overly aggressive "Pro-America" stance that is leading to you thinking with your arse, further re-enforcing most peoples opinions about Americans.

Wow, once again, misinterpretations spout again. Moron? Wow, that stung a lot. Yes, I am an American moron arguing with the same guy that says names don't make people look smarter :p So, who's the real guy contradicting himself here?

I wasnt trying to be smart, I was adding emphisis onto a statement. A tart is someone who sleeps around for money, or is overly harsh. You stated, in plain english;

You cannot say that all Americans are tart

Perhaps you should not type what you don't mean or remember?

Let's first define the word which I've used most, "Typical";

# exhibiting the qualities or characteristics that identify a group or kind or category; "a typical American girl"; "a typical suburban community"; "the typical car owner drives 10,000 miles a year"; "a painting typical of the Impressionist school"; "a typical romantic poem"; "a typical case of arteritis"
# distinctive: of a feature that helps to distinguish a person or thing; "Jerusalem has a distinctive Middle East flavor"- Curtis Wilkie; "that is typical of you!"
# conforming to a type; "the typical (or normal) American"; "typical teenage behavior"

You must feel really smart. But, then again, what in the world does that prove? Absolutely nothing. =) A Webster dictionary definition makes you look smarter, alright. Pretty smart. =)

No, it does not, it should bring your attention to exactly the terminoligy being used, which you seem to be having a hard time understanding. (See below)

Now, let's do some very simple math.

295,734,134 people in the US.

The average human brain can hold thought on ~5 individual people at one time.

So, if you where to think about 5 people, every second, you would need 684 odd days to think about them all. To do so is obviously stupid.

The term typical is used to define a large amount of objects (In this case, Americans), and the way they 'typically' are. You should notice the difference between "They are typically", and "They are always". In my english classes, the meanings of those two are worlds apart.

Now is the time where you can show me a chart in which people are ignorant, and where people are not. In order to make something "typical", first you must need an official number of something (which, of course, you don't have). But then again, more evidence of my point.

No, now is the time you challenge my point.

A person only needs a few traits out of what is deemed 'typical', to actually be typical. If you take a cross section of people, and compile a list of their most common traits, you have the basis of a good 'typical' person.

But of course, I don't need charts, because I have working case studies to back me up. Go to any store which caters to the 'typical' American. They got their market research right if they have been around for > 10 years.

If, of course, you had bothered to fully read my posts, and not just focus on the negitive parts (Why don't you stop picking out the negatives of the US Surprised), we would actually be some where to answering your original question.

Wow. More evidence of ignorance from you? Yep.

*sigh*

Do you ever give things thought?

The people voted Bush in, he didn't buy all those votes.

Turmoil. It was rigged, probably. Ever read the real facts? Yes, they might've voted for him, but according to such evidence, not entirely. Calling me a contradictor? Sure. Do it again and again if it makes you look smarter and pleases your mind.

You seem to think during the whole Bush election I had my head in the sand... I know the events that surround him, I know what happend afterwards, and why.

Quite frankly, it is quite silly to see people still shouting "Rigged" when if more Americans voted, he would never have gotten in, regardless of the apparent rigging. The lack of compulsory voting in America highlights two of the greatest screw ups in the American democratic system.

1) If only a certian amount of people vote, the person in power can never be the one the majority of people wanted, but rather the majority of those who got off their arse and voted.

2) It leads to people who, even though they don't vote, sit on their arse and complain about the person they didn't vote against.

In a country where the president can put an illegal tap on your phone, compulsory voting is the least of your freedom concerns.

I wouldn't say red neck, I'd say spoilt little smart arse.

Course, this is where you shut the fuck up

I wouldn't bet on it.

Next time you post, please try not to generalise, assume, focus on negitives, or contradict your self, as if you don't obey the rules you are setting down your self, the is no point in you wasting my time, which is better spent watching paint dry.

More, more, more evidence of superiority/inferiority. You're a generalizer, you also assume, you focus on negatives, and you contradict yourself, and you don't exactly follow all the rules you made. There we go, another contradiction of you. Watch your post again, please. Read over it to make sure you are following your own rules and not sprouting more hypocrisy.

I, unlike your self, am not trying to say generalising is evil, it is an integral part of the human thought process, and you're quite silly to think it can be quelled.

Let me shed some light on something for you; You have, from the begining, generalised me as a one-sided, ignorant, person with little to know knowledge of the US.(Among other things) I find it quite moronic then, for you to even try and stand up for against generalising when your use of it is quite prolific. You are, without even knowing it, proving my point. You are taking a "typically" American approach to this debate, you are trying, and failing, to throw in tid bits of wisdom.

You also seem to be very high on the idea that I am trying to make the rest of the world perfect, which is not the case. The world in general has done awful things, and no one here is trying toc deny that. So please, put that idea to rest.

Both your self, and Grunger, are making direct links to people hating the US soley because of it's politics. Although it is very high on the hate list, it is not the only thing there. So to assume that no one here has been to the US, or had heavy contact with people from the US is generalising on your behalf.

I am not claiming to be the end all and be all, I entered this thread, to show you what made you typically American. (Sadly, I knew it would end up like this.) You, obviously, took offence to this. Perhaps in future, if you are thin skined, you shouldn't make a thread which will always get huge flames. Just an idea.

I have been in many, many debates, online and off. If you want to make this a huge thread about why we hate America, then lets. However, let's keep it civil. 'What ever happens on the forums stays on the forums', has always been my moto. (Hence the rip roaring debates with Jim.)

@Cureless_Poison.
How about you shut the fuck up, trust me, makes you look a great deal smarter. Please don't be a dickhead (is that possible?) and please don't stereotype. And isn't it time for you to stop posting in this topic if you know that all you do is fuel and refuel more fire to this debate? in fact, you want to turn it into a FLAME war, which we don't like So if you'd be as so kind as to fuck right off, I'd (maybe we'd, except DarkKnight) aprreciate it. Thanks, goodnight.

Big assumtion there. I don't care either way tbh.

~Psychotic~, when Australia pokes fun at New Zealand, we do it in a brotherly fashion. We'll send you bloody crazy, but we'd also be the first ones in line to go to war with you.
(Only thing that drives me crazy is the accent, "Fush and chups" @_@)

Foot note: I must say I'm disapointed. You seem to have taken the road of hurling insults instead of tackling what has been said. If you attack me, I will defend my self. I'm sure you understand this, since you are defending America from global attacks.

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The public don't get told everything so his actions could seem fucked up if you only know this and that as opposed to the full thing.

[Mr. Tastix]

@ Dark Knight: I was just using NZ/AUS as an example. I am an Australian myself but people consider me a New Zealander for my time spent in NZ. I choose not to believe this anyway.

As said, I used it as an example. Because, it's true isn't it? Australians do discrimate SOME New Zealanders. Not all of them but it's inevitable, you'll never get someone who doesn't have something to say about either another person or a country.

I for one despise George Bush. I reakon he's a dip-fucking-shit but I can't do anything about it and I'm just one person. He's intelligent in the fact that he got to be President on the United States but his decisions are usually fucked up.

@ Cataclyzm: Thank you for the compliment, and as said it's my opinion. But the majority of what I said is true. To sum it all up, every country has problems, everyone has problems, no one is perfect and no one will EVER be perfect. Not even the so called "God" was perfect, why? Because he apparantly created us, can't be that smart can he?

So as long as we live together then we make decisions together. Not like the Government care of course. As long as they have money in their pockets at the end of the day then they don't give a shit about anyone else they call "normal people" (this is fucken stupid, I mean, the Government were "normal" before they were in Government weren't they!?).

So let's just live with the fact that we as a world suck, ALL countries suck, IMO.

[Cureless_Poison]

@Cureless_Poison.
How about you shut the fuck up, trust me, makes you look a great deal smarter. Please don't be a dickhead (is that possible?) and please don't stereotype. And isn't it time for you to stop posting in this topic if you know that all you do is fuel and refuel more fire to this debate? in fact, you want to turn it into a FLAME war, which we don't like So if you'd be as so kind as to fuck right off, I'd (maybe we'd, except DarkKnight) aprreciate it. Thanks, goodnight.

Eh,sounds good there's no way to win this argument so i know an easy way i can finish my complaint "Fuck The World" really,fuck every counrty,fuck the earth,fuck the star-system,fuck the galaxy,fuck the nebula,fuck the univers,FUCK EVERYTHING,there im done,i refuse to pick on one country now,so fuck everything,simple.

And im not a compleate ignorant cunt,just cause i think one country's a bunch a fuckin duche's doesent make me bad,ill just refuse to talk on this subject.

[clyzm]

Kay, well since nobody seems to be getting the point, I'll just sarcastically agree with all of you.

Every one of your opinions is truthful and matters dearly to me.

DarkKnight is correct, Pyschotic is correct, CurelessP is correct, everybody's correct.

Now shut the hell up.

[Grunger]

see, you can never have a decent debate when you're dealing with someone or a group is being judged. it always ends up as a flame war like this thread.

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