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Postby Mr. Tastix » Wed Dec 06, 06 2:06 pm

Mas[T]aKilla wrote:I respect everyone accept Smookie and DejaVu.


I wouldn't know about Smookie, but DeJaVu doesn't deserve any respect, from anyone. The people who do respect him and his "followers" or people who just agree with his actions.

Those select few also don't deserve respect, not from me at least, whether or not they deserve it. Those who think what DeJaVu is doing, are pathetic and a disgrace to all of the Deus Ex community.

DeJaVu however, doesn't deserve respect and has done nothing that I've heard to earn even one little drop of respect from me.

A man with no respect is but a mere mortal, but a man who is respected is far beyond that of any mortal. He is more than just man, because being respected means to have done something worthy of being respected. He who does not earn respect but expects to receive it, is greedy and power-hungry.

This is the life which DeJaVu leads. He is power-hungry, and he won't stop until he get what he wants when he wants. And if he doesn't get what he wants, he whines like a little baby and seeks attention like he's doing right this second.

DeJaVu is not powerful, nor will he ever be. He may be intelligent enough to hack into a GameSpy's Masterservers and order people to use other Masterservers or face the wrath he thinks he has.

DeJaVu is just like you or me, a mere human being. And like all humans, we make mistakes. It's only time until he does, and when he does, he will wish he didn't even start this whole charade - because he knows that if he gets caught, he could be locked up.

DeJaVu to put simply, is an idiot. He's not smart, he's not clever. He's just some stupid fucking retarded attention seeking baby who cries to his mummy when things don't go his way.
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Postby Krieg » Wed Dec 06, 06 3:02 pm

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Sorry mate , but my butthole is a forbidden area for you
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Postby Cereal » Wed Dec 06, 06 3:59 pm

I think you're all arrogant. How can you place yourself above another person because you're in a different niche in DX? :roll: People say *I* took the game too seriously. At least I never claimed I was more advanced than others because of the type of game I played.

Jesus how moronic can you get?
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Postby Mr. Tastix » Wed Dec 06, 06 4:14 pm

Cereal wrote:I think you're all arrogant. How can you place yourself above another person because you're in a different niche in DX? :roll: People say *I* took the game too seriously. At least I never claimed I was more advanced than others because of the type of game I played.

Jesus how moronic can you get?


How am I arrogant? I don't believe that I'm better than anyone. I already stated that I believe all game types to me, are equal because either way, without one, the other would cease to exist.

And each game type has both it's advantages and disadvantages.
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Postby Mastakilla » Wed Dec 06, 06 5:25 pm

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Mas[T]aKilla wrote:
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Sorry mate , but my butthole is a forbidden area for you


Why? :(
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Postby Professor Layton » Wed Dec 06, 06 7:57 pm

m8, because he isn't marianne, m8.

Anyway, it seems like there has come a new category into these debates <_< instead of 0 augs vs augs, even modding gets involved, what's next, DXSP? (although it's partly modding already)

Why don't those who love their gametype so much above the other ones just keep silent about it, it's not that people will change their minds about it, apart from increasing their hate towards it.
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Postby Siva » Wed Dec 06, 06 9:21 pm

MODDING FTW, ALL OTHER PEOPLE ARE INFERIOR, KTHX, 0-AUGS\AUGS ARE TEH SUX, MODDERS MAKE YOUR MUTATORS AND SHIT, GG WE ARE WIN.




Seriously though. This whole thread doesn't really get us anywhere.
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Postby rob » Wed Dec 06, 06 9:29 pm

any news on gamespy responding to your messages??
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Postby clyzm » Wed Dec 06, 06 10:24 pm

Cereal wrote:I think you're all arrogant. How can you place yourself above another person because you're in a different niche in DX? :roll: People say *I* took the game too seriously. At least I never claimed I was more advanced than others because of the type of game I played.

Jesus how moronic can you get?


I try my best not to brag about modding, but when auggers are so ignorant as to think they are higher than anyone else, I have to crush their blind perverted world and make them see that they are not better than anyone, and that modding is on a higher level than they are. It's the only form of tool I have, I can't pursuade them 0 augs is better.
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Postby Mr. Tastix » Thu Dec 07, 06 12:11 am

cactus-clyzm wrote:
Cereal wrote:I think you're all arrogant. How can you place yourself above another person because you're in a different niche in DX? :roll: People say *I* took the game too seriously. At least I never claimed I was more advanced than others because of the type of game I played.

Jesus how moronic can you get?


I try my best not to brag about modding, but when auggers are so ignorant as to think they are higher than anyone else, I have to crush their blind perverted world and make them see that they are not better than anyone, and that modding is on a higher level than they are. It's the only form of tool I have, I can't pursuade them 0 augs is better.


You could try though, and probably fail miserably, rofl. But remember, EVERYONE has their opinions. Who gives a shit if some up-himself Auggers thinks augs is better mods?

I know it's not true, you know it's not true. Some people would disagree, but as long as you know. WHO THE FUCK CARES?!

Clix wrote:Why don't those who love their gametype so much above the other ones just keep silent about it, it's not that people will change their minds about it, apart from increasing their hate towards it.


Agreed. But people won't, people enjoy expressing their opinions. It's why we having debating, and why I love it so much lol.
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Postby Cereal » Thu Dec 07, 06 1:22 am

cactus-clyzm wrote:
Cereal wrote:I think you're all arrogant. How can you place yourself above another person because you're in a different niche in DX? :roll: People say *I* took the game too seriously. At least I never claimed I was more advanced than others because of the type of game I played.

Jesus how moronic can you get?


I try my best not to brag about modding, but when auggers are so ignorant as to think they are higher than anyone else, I have to crush their blind perverted world and make them see that they are not better than anyone, and that modding is on a higher level than they are. It's the only form of tool I have, I can't pursuade them 0 augs is better.


They're ignorant to think they're better than anyone, so you have to remind them that you're better than them? Oh that's hilarious.
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Postby messiah » Thu Dec 07, 06 3:42 am

You know catac, Deus Ex is a game after all and it is meant to be played. Therefore I am not modding it but playing it, and in that I have certainly made more progress than you have. Otherwise you would not be here arguing about how important mods are.

Second, if you think augging is useless, go ahead. Freedom of speech, eh?

Third, without auggers Deus Ex would not be what it is meant to be. If the creators, or the famous modders that you obviously idolize with your full heart, meant Deus Ex to be played without augmentations (no-augs) they would not have created them at all. Please consider this before you type something stupid once again: when you played the single player you saw several blue bottles containing different kind of liquid, augmentations. They were there to be used to enhance your performance, not to be left on the ground. What you and your pals here are trying to do is to modify Deus Ex to be something completely else, Newb Ex.

Done with this topic, too. You can go nuts now again.
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Postby Mr. Tastix » Thu Dec 07, 06 3:58 am

messiah wrote:You know catac, Deus Ex is a game after all and it is meant to be played. Therefore I am not modding it but playing it, and in that I have certainly made more progress than you have. Otherwise you would not be here arguing about how important mods are.

Second, if you think augging is useless, go ahead. Freedom of speech, eh?

Third, without auggers Deus Ex would not be what it is meant to be. If the creators, or the famous modders that you obviously idolize with your full heart, meant Deus Ex to be played without augmentations (no-augs) they would not have created them at all. Please consider this before you type something stupid once again: when you played the single player you saw several blue bottles containing different kind of liquid, augmentations. They were there to be used to enhance your performance, not to be left on the ground. What you and your pals here are trying to do is to modify Deus Ex to be something completely else, Newb Ex.

Done with this topic, too. You can go nuts now again.


I agree with most of this, though I don't see how Cataclyzms stupid as all he's doing is defending his right as a Modder just like you are or I did.
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Postby ~Hy[ß]rid~ » Thu Dec 07, 06 7:22 am

My topic.... it's.... Destroyed... :(
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Postby clyzm » Thu Dec 07, 06 7:55 am

They're ignorant to think they're better than anyone, so you have to remind them that you're better than them? Oh that's hilarious.


It's not that far-fetched if you really think about it. Being a modder means you are done playing the game and you want to do more to it then just play, you want to modify it. It's like an office building: people can work there (the players) or people who are tired of working there can manage and modify the building (modders). This doesn't mean that we are higher, although it can. It depends on how much you actually like the game to proceed. Sure, a player with more will to play will definitely beat a modder who has no will.

You know catac, Deus Ex is a game after all and it is meant to be played.


Who says? Who says if you buy it you HAVE to play it?

Therefore I am not modding it but playing it, and in that I have certainly made more progress than you have.


That's a laugh and a half. Playing DX simply means your just playing a game with your friends, your having some fun etc. Modding means work, you need to do lots of stuff outside and inside of DX then show it off or have some people test it out. It is impossible for a player to make more progress than a modder. Impossible. Modders are some of the smartest people, as are players. But if you look at what players have been giving to DX and what modders have been giving to DX, ie progress, modders go drastically off the scale. I'm not saying players do nothing, they are there to play and keep the game alive, but in terms of how much you actually do for the game, and how much you sacrificed, how much effort you put into it etc. modders will most likely win. It's because of the factor that modders edit the game while players do not. Not such a crazy idea if you think about it. And because modders edit the game, they make more progress based on what they did to the game.

Third, without auggers Deus Ex would not be what it is meant to be. If the creators, or the famous modders that you obviously idolize with your full heart, meant Deus Ex to be played without augmentations (no-augs) they would not have created them at all.


Augs is just a unique add-on to the game that makes it different from the rest. They didn't want it to be played with or without, that's why they let you choose and not gave you augmentations in the first place. It's called role playing game. You can choose to have augs or not.

Please consider this before you type something stupid once again: when you played the single player you saw several blue bottles containing different kind of liquid, augmentations. They were there to be used to enhance your performance, not to be left on the ground.


I played the game several times, more times with augs then without. I'm not ignorant of the cannisters.

What you and your pals here are trying to do is to modify Deus Ex to be something completely else, Newb Ex.


No, what "me and my pals" are trying to do is modify the game so we can make it our own unique game. You can try something different, there's more choices to make, etc. Tbh playing the same old boring augs again and again and yet again gets repetitive, so that's why DX was made editable. If your theory proves out, the staff would've never made DX editable, ie closed source.

Done with this topic, too. You can go nuts now again.


I don't think this is because your high and mighty, I think this is mainly because your a coward.

Keep in mind that I'm not higher than anyone here. Maybe I have made some progress more than some people, but that's not an important factor. I'm not disrespecting augs, some of my best friends are auggers. Just like you, Messiah, have a passion for augs, I have a passion for modding. And when these two collide you can bet your ass there will be debates like this.
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Postby Alex » Thu Dec 07, 06 8:12 am

messiah wrote:Second, if you think augging is useless, go ahead. Freedom of speech, eh?

Tell that to DejaVu?
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Postby Mr. Tastix » Thu Dec 07, 06 1:48 pm

This is turning into quite the debate, it's kind of fun to be honest.

What you and your pals here are trying to do is to modify Deus Ex to be something completely else, Newb Ex.


Rofl, Newb Ex, where the fuck did you learn that? Noob School? You do realise without Modders the game would've died years ago? As Cataclyzm said, playing augs repeatedly would become fucking boring. And hence, Modders were born for games.

Without Mods, the game would be the same. Mods make both DXSP and DXMP alot more interesting, unique and just plain more entertaining and fun to play and you actually enjoy playing it more.

I wouldn't doubt for one second, if Modders ceased to exist then games which could be modded would die within a couple of years of being created.

People would buy the game, finish the game, play multi-player, play SP or MP repeatedly, get bored, uninstall game, sell game, end of story.

With mods, the same thing would eventually happen. Death is inevitable, even in games. But it'd more or less go like this: Buy the game, play the game, finish the game, play multi-player, play that a few times, see that people called "Modders" make modifications to enhance and enrich gaming experience(s), download Mod, install Mod, play Mod, finish Mod, play multi-player more w/o Mods, find more Mods, repeat from "download Mod" again and the process keeps repeating until people eventually get bored with it.
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Postby Cereal » Thu Dec 07, 06 4:04 pm

Without players, modders have no jobs. Modders AREN'T better than the players.
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Postby Mastakilla » Thu Dec 07, 06 4:59 pm

[A]Hybrid wrote:My topic.... it's.... Destroyed... :(


Let's have that match in Silo while our lovers argue.
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Postby Mr. Tastix » Thu Dec 07, 06 5:20 pm

Cereal wrote:Without players, modders have no jobs. Modders AREN'T better than the players.


And without Modders, players would bore too easily and the game would die too quickly. Players AREN'T better than Modders, Modders AREN'T better then players.

Without one, the other will cease to exist eventually. It's inevitable and the way of the games life cycle.
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Postby Mastakilla » Thu Dec 07, 06 7:46 pm

~Psychotic~ wrote:
Cereal wrote:Without players, modders have no jobs. Modders AREN'T better than the players.


And without Modders, players would bore too easily and the game would die too quickly. Players AREN'T better than Modders, Modders AREN'T better then players.

Without one, the other will cease to exist eventually. It's inevitable and the way of the games life cycle.


Not sure if I agree with that last bit, but noone is higher then anyone, I agree.
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Postby Cereal » Thu Dec 07, 06 8:24 pm

Mas[T]aKilla wrote:
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Cereal wrote:Without players, modders have no jobs. Modders AREN'T better than the players.


And without Modders, players would bore too easily and the game would die too quickly. Players AREN'T better than Modders, Modders AREN'T better then players.

Without one, the other will cease to exist eventually. It's inevitable and the way of the games life cycle.


Not sure if I agree with that last bit, but noone is higher then anyone, I agree.


Which is exactly what I was saying. I don't know what Psychotic was trying to disagree with me on. See earlier where I said it's stupid to put one above the other.
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Postby clyzm » Thu Dec 07, 06 10:34 pm

Cereal wrote:Without players, modders have no jobs. Modders AREN'T better than the players.


Modders can test out other mods, in case you haven't found that out already. To mod you DO need Deus Ex. That's a priority.
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Postby Cereal » Thu Dec 07, 06 11:03 pm

If you're the only person left, nobody else to play your mod or help test it...then there is only one thing left for you to do in that situation


Play with yourself.
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Postby clyzm » Thu Dec 07, 06 11:05 pm

Cereal wrote:If you're the only person left, nobody else to play your mod or help test it...then there is only one thing left for you to do in that situation


Play with yourself.


Or get other modders to test it out and help you ;)
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Postby Cereal » Thu Dec 07, 06 11:49 pm

Woosh right over your head.
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Postby clyzm » Thu Dec 07, 06 11:53 pm

No matter what, as long as DX is what it is, there will ALWAYS be modders.

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Postby Mr. Tastix » Fri Dec 08, 06 12:14 am

Yes, and as long as Modders are there then hopefully players will stay as well. And you could play with yourself, but I'm not sure how masturbating and playing Deus Ex works...

And Cereal, I disagreed with the part on you calling Cataclyzm stupid. It's a debate, you're not meant to express feelings, you're meant to express opinions.
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Postby clyzm » Fri Dec 08, 06 12:24 am

It's an emphasis, I've seen the tactics of Cereal.
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Postby Mr. Tastix » Fri Dec 08, 06 12:26 am

cactus-clyzm wrote:It's an emphasis, I've seen the tactics of Cereal.


Lol, and what are these "tactics?"
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