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[clyzm]

Calling people stupid.

Messiah is pretty good at that, another thing he's a veteran of.

[Cereal]

Shut up, stupid.

[Mr. Tastix]

Shut up, stupid.

You just proved Cataclyzm's point. Some genius you are.

[Cereal]

That was a joke, champ.

I'm not really trying to fight with anyone. A debate is different from a fight, some people just can't keep things within the argument. I hold nothing against anyone for what they've said to me here, unless blatantly offensive, and I'd hope no one holds against me the things I've said during a friendly argument or debate.

Also..I'm hardly the only one who resorts to calling people stupid. Look around this forum. Hell, look through you post history. Everyone here is just as guilty of it as I am. Plus, I said the idea that one person is better than another based on what role they have within a game is stupid, not Cataclyzm himself.

[messiah]

1.) Who says? Who says if you buy it you HAVE to play it?
2.) Augs is just a unique add-on to the game that makes it different from the rest. They didn't want it to be played with or without, that's why they let you choose and not gave you augmentations in the first place. It's called role playing game. You can choose to have augs or not.
3.) I don't think this is because your high and mighty, I think this is mainly because your a coward.

1.) You just proved my point of your primitivness. What do they call Deus Ex then? A furniture? Or something that you can decorate your room with? Please do not answer to this one.
2.) Wrong. First of all, in the single player you get at least two permanent augmentations:

1. Infolink = Permanent augmentation, allows you to recieve messages from control, and to store and retrieve maps, conversations, and notes
2. Light = A permanent augmentation that lets you turn on a flashlight from your eyes

At least #2 is usable and therefore the creators wanted you to use at least one augmentation during your gameplay.
3.) It is because you for one are so stupid that it goes beyond my imagination. You lose a debate and you still keep on babbling about it. Like that completely idiotic comment about the creators not wanting people to play Deus Ex, rather buy it and leave it unopened.

[clyzm]

I love how you focus more on insults rather than what you're saying.

You just proved my point of your primitivness. What do they call Deus Ex then? A furniture? Or something that you can decorate your room with? Please do not answer to this one.

Yes, people are more likely to play the game. But they are not required to. You just keep telling me that they HAVE to play the game instead of just buying it and doing something else to it. They are most likely to play it, yes, but they do not have to. Please understand what I say before you blurt out more bullshit.

Wrong. First of all, in the single player you get at least two permanent augmentations:

No, it's right. I wasn't speaking about Light aug, I was speaking about performance-modifying augs.

Also you forgot about the IFF.

It is because you for one are so stupid that it goes beyond my imagination. You lose a debate and you still keep on babbling about it.

First of all, I never lost a debate. Quitters such as you go away and say "i cannot speak to you anymore" that lost the debate. If I agree with you and we have a mutual thinking, then the debate is settled, but that will almost never happen. Your level of debating is amateur at best. Wanna know why? You focus on humiliating and demeaning your opponent rather than treating with the same amount of respect, rather than look at your opinions and how they should collide.

[messiah]

1.) Yes, people are more likely to play the game. But they are not required to.
2.) You just keep telling me that they HAVE to play the game instead of just buying it and doing something else to it.
3.) First of all, I never lost a debate.
4.) Quitters such as you go away and say "i cannot speak to you anymore" that lost the debate.
5.) Your level of debating is amateur at best.
6.) You focus on humiliating and demeaning your opponent rather than treating with the same amount of respect.
7.) Also you forgot about the IFF.

1.) I never said they are required to play it. But tell me one thing then Mr. Brain, why do these smart people buy the game in the first place if they do not plan to play it?
2.)

You know catac, Deus Ex is a game after all and it is meant to be played.

Notice how I never used the words "HAVE TO PLAY". I used the word 'meant' which you can look up @ http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/meant. Now it was you who created the hallucination that it is a compulsory for one to play a game if he buys one. But I guess that is understandable since my friends, all those stupid ones, rarely buy games that they do not intend to play. I guess this is another intelligent no-augger-modder speciality that I simply can not understand.
3.) Sure you did not. As I said, even if you would lose one you would still keep babbling about it. If we would argue about a glass being on the table and I would bring you videos and photos of it, you would still claim the glass is not there.
4.) Ever heard of a wise saying: "Wise men stay quiet, when the stupid talk"? Let me take a wild guess: not.
5.) It must be then when you say so.
6.) I do apologize for that as I have just realized you are way more smarter than I am. I mean after all, it is me who is not intelligent enough to understand why someone would buy games to not play them.
7.)

Please understand what I say before you blurt out more bullshit.

...in the single player you get at least two permanent augmentations.

Maybe you should try to obey your own rules. I mean as being the smarter one, you should know what at least means. But here, let me try to enlighten you, http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/at%20least.

[clyzm]

How many people I've known that would stoop as low as using the dictionary for their emphasis on their theories I can't even count... But I'll put up with you anyway.

I never said they are required to play it. But tell me one thing then Mr. Brain, why do these smart people buy the game in the first place if they do not plan to play it?

I never said they were smart, and I don't know why they would, but people have bought games in the past and decided not to play them for whatever their reasons. To be honest, arguing about playing a game is very, very stupid. Which is why I'll leave the topic considering that you won't.

Now it was you who created the hallucination that it is a compulsory for one to play a game if he buys one.

Ok, I misunderstood you. It is meant to be played yes, but not everyone does so.

But I guess that is understandable since my friends, all those stupid ones, rarely buy games that they do not intend to play.

Please shut your mouth if you intend to use sarcasm for humiliation rather than humor. Either way, you suck at using it.

I guess this is another intelligent no-augger-modder speciality that I simply can not understand.

I play augs, zero augs, and modify. Get your facts straight about me before you insult me with your deliberate bullshit and your clever fucked-up replies.

Sure you did not. As I said, even if you would lose one you would still keep babbling about it. If we would argue about a glass being on the table and I would bring you videos and photos of it, you would still claim the glass is not there.

Again, Messiah thinks HE'S in charge of everything. You can't tell someone if they lost a debate or not. The only way for a person to lose a debate is to stop debating. And even yet, I'll refer to a quote that YOU most likely will be associated with:

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, whether you win or not, your still a retard.

Ever heard of a wise saying: "Wise men stay quiet, when the stupid talk"? Let me take a wild guess: not.

Lucky guess. Who made that quote? You?

It must be then when you say so.

As it must be when you say so, after all you are the superior, intelligent augger and I'm the retarded, stupid 0 augger. No sarcasm intended.

I do apologize for that as I have just realized you are way more smarter than I am. I mean after all, it is me who is not intelligent enough to understand why someone would buy games to not play them.

As I said before, it is pointless to reiterate your sarcasm, and even more pointless to argue about playing a game or not.

Maybe you should try to obey your own rules. I mean as being the smarter one, you should know what at least means.

You get 3, wise-ass, if you want to be technical. IFF, Infolink and Light Aug.

Now, being as kind as I am, I won't insult you based on your stupidity, because I can respect my opponent in a debate, however it seems you cannot. But oh well. You just keep looking up more insults, while I keep making more valid points.

And please, for the love of god, NEVER, use sarcasm as an emphasis in a debate. It makes you look like a fool.

[synthetic]

i LOVE sarcasm in a debate :)

[clyzm]

It doesn't show anything, however. Other than the fact that you want to be clever so you insult your opponent using clever remarks. I wish people would focus more on debating rather than humiliating.

[messiah]

1.) How many people I've known that would stoop as low as using the dictionary for their emphasis on their theories I can't even count... But I'll put up with you anyway.
2.) To be honest, arguing about playing a game is very, very stupid.
3.) Please shut your mouth if you intend to use sarcasm for humiliation rather than humor.
4.) I play augs, zero augs, and modify. Get your facts straight about me before you insult me with your deliberate bullshit and your clever fucked-up replies.
5.)You can't tell someone if they lost a debate or not.
6.)The only way for a person to lose a debate is to stop debating.
7.) Lucky guess. Who made that quote? You?
8.) As it must be when you say so, after all you are the superior, intelligent augger and I'm the retarded, stupid 0 augger. No sarcasm intended.
9.) You get 3, wise-ass, if you want to be technical. IFF, Infolink and Light Aug.
10.) Now, being as kind as I am, I won't insult you based on your stupidity, because I can respect my opponent in a debate, however it seems you cannot.
11.) You just keep looking up more insults, while I keep making more valid points.

1.) When you talk with a retard, you have to get to their level at times. I apologize, at times I forget my place in the food chain.
2.) It is good to see that you yourself realize how stupid you are.
3.) Uh, so after all you think DX is meant for playing?
4.) You are impossible to understand. I agreed to your statement that DX is not meant for gaming and called it intelligent, now all of sudden you think it is stupid?
5.) Of course I can.
6.) Alright, as you say.
7.) It is a straight translation from a well known Finnish saying. But thank you for the compliment; I have always thought my opinions are good enough to become public, well-known phrases
8.) You said it, not me.
9.) Do not get aggressive and hostile if you make mistakes. This augmentation argument was never about how many augmentations there are. It was about not being able to play SP without an augmentation and I was right, as always. Proved to be right even by yourself.
10.) It would not be possible for you to insult me.
11.) You mean, you keep on doing valid points like DX is not meant for gaming, rather for decoration? Or that it is not a compulsory to have augs in the SP but then all of sudden you claim otherwise? Your argumentation gets more professional everyday, you got to teach some of that

[clyzm]

1.) When you talk with a retard, you have to get to their level at times. I apologize, at times I forget my place in the food chain.

I'm a retard? That word is politically incorrect, and offensive, so I'd appreciate it if you don't say it.

2.) It is good to see that you yourself realize how stupid you are.

You were counter-arguing, so you're not completely Einstein either. I challenged your points but you seem to not care that I did, you focused more on how much my points were different from yours.

3.) Uh, so after all you think DX is meant for playing?

... and you think I'm the retard. Didn't I just state a few posts ago that I agree with you it is meant for playing but not everybody does so?

You are impossible to understand. I agreed to your statement that DX is not meant for gaming and called it intelligent, now all of sudden you think it is stupid?

Bravo to your use of sarcasm. I'm sure it made me feel bad about myself and made me look like a fool in front of the people that read this forum. You know, many times I have been called an asshole and I've come to terms that I am. But never in my entire life have I seen such an insulting, offending idiot like yourself. I give you my respect in this debate, because if I didn't, I would very much insult you, humiliate you, and demean you, but I do not considering you are an opponent that I can respect. I only wish for respect back despite my apparent retardation as you may call me. But I don't get that either, do I? Fine. I don't really care anymore. I tried not to be offending but your provocative comments have forced me.

5.) Of course I can.

No you cannot, you are an insolent little worm on the ass of a protozoan, and your area of expertise amounts to the same bullshit that you spew from that little fucked-up brain of yours. You're not important, special, or anything like that, and you can't decide shit because you're a fucking idiot.

7.) It is a straight translation from a well known Finnish saying. But thank you for the compliment; I have always thought my opinions are good enough to become public, well-known phrases

ROFL. I actually laughed at your bigotry. I can only assume that you use the name messiah thinking that you are an actual entity that exists to serve as a high sense of power. I didn't compliment you, but that is another bullshit aspect of your childish brain I can expect. I presumed that such a idiotic, moronic, useless quote can only be spewed by the likes of your status. But I guessed wrong.

8.) You said it, not me.

And of course you're not guilty of anything, are you? You sick little bigot.

Do not get aggressive and hostile if you make mistakes. This augmentation argument was never about how many augmentations there are. It was about not being able to play SP without an augmentation and I was right, as always. Proved to be right even by yourself.

Yet again that shit brain that you have cannot process the words I have spoken earlier. I said "augmentations that modify your performance", not impudent little add-ons. I was being specific. You just keep thinking you're right in that delusional little world of yours.

It would not be possible for you to insult me.

The fact that I did insult you started this debate, fucker.

You mean, you keep on doing valid points like DX is not meant for gaming, rather for decoration? Or that it is not a compulsory to have augs in the SP but then all of sudden you claim otherwise? Your argumentation gets more professional everyday, you got to teach some of that Wink

Look up and be enlightened. I agreed with you that most people play it, but they do not HAVE to. And about the augs comment, look above and recall what I said, if you still can. My argumentation is at least better than yours, impudent little bastard.

[Krieg]

Is it me or is messiah the new Darkknight of debates

[clyzm]

Is it me or is messiah the new Darkknight of debates

More like the Mike of debates. DarkKnight is a guy I could respect, he has valid points, strong emphasis, and powerful theories. Messiah is just a dumb little shit who thinks highly of himself. Although DK and Messiah share one similarity - they're both likely to argue with me. DK usually can stand up to me and even win sometimes, but Messiah can't even stand up considering he's 10 steps below me.

[messiah]

1.) I'm a retard? That word is politically incorrect, and offensive, so I'd appreciate it if you don't say it.
2.) You were counter-arguing, so you're not completely Einstein either.
3.) ...and you think I'm the retard. Didn't I just state a few posts ago that I agree with you it is meant for playing but not everybody does so?
4.) Bravo to your use of sarcasm.
5.) ...I have been called an asshole and I've come to terms that I am.
6.) But never in my entire life have I seen such an insulting, offending idiot like yourself.
7.) I can only assume that you use the name messiah thinking that you are an actual entity that exists to serve as a high sense of power.
8.) And of course you're not guilty of anything, are you?
9.) I said "augmentations that modify your performance", not impudent little add-ons. I was being specific.
10.) The fact that I did insult you started this debate, fucker.
11.) Look up and be enlightened. I agreed with you that most people play it, but they do not HAVE to.
12.) And about the augs comment, look above and recall what I said, if you still can.
13.) I give you my respect in this debate, because if I didn't, I would very much insult you, humiliate you, and demean you, but I do not considering you are an opponent that I can respect.
14.) Messiah can't even stand up considering he's 10 steps below me.

1.) It does actually mean a "foolish" person. Do you want me to give you the link to dictionary.com?
2.) Of course I was because you were wrong. Before arguing about this, read #3
3.) We never discussed about whether people HAVE to play DX or not when they buy it. The subject was whether DX was meant to be played or not. You still have not answered this. Yes or no? (Go ask the creators, they sure back you up and say: "No, we just created the game for our own amusement.")
4.) Thank you
5.) Whatever you want to think about yourself.
6.) This is actually politically incorrect, as you want to put it. I would need to have lower than 25 IQ to be an idiot and that means for example that I would not be able to write anything.
7.) Actually, I do not. I simply play an online game where I can decide my own name. It does not have to have a deep meaning in it as long as it suits my style.
8.) Nobody is perfect so I am guilty to several things.
9.)

Augs is just a unique add-on to the game that makes it different from the rest. They didn't want it to be played with or without, that's why they let you choose and not gave you augmentations in the first place. It's called role playing game. You can choose to have augs or not.

You were not being specific. You never mentioned the words "augmentations that modify your performance". Even if you had mentioned it, I am sure that especially light augmentation can be counted to be an augmentation that boosts your performance as it creates a better visual of the surrounding area.
10.) No, it was because you were wrong.
11.) Read #3
12.) Read #9.
13.)

insolent little worm on the ass of a protozoan, bullshit that you spew from that little fucked-up brain of yours, you're a fucking idiot, you sick little bigot, shit brain that you have, fucker, impudent little bastard, dumb little shit.

Nice one *sobs*
14.) But...I do not understand your way to think about debates. We have argued about two things: whether DX was meant for playing or not and if you get augs right away when you play SP. On both I was right and you wrong. Or hmm..are you imaging some kind of stairs of stupidity, like the higher you step, the stupider you will become? And I am 10 steps below you? Ah, that must be it...then I can understand your point

On a side note, Darkknight sounds like an intelligent person as he is considered to be the old messiah.

[Mastakilla]

You can play DX without using augmentations.

You can't play it without having augmentations, unless you mod it.

End of discussion Messiah. You are wrong. Stfu and go home.

And there is no need to call Cataclyzm a retard, just because your whole family is retarted doesn't mean everyone is.

And you don't have to play it either, I have sex with my CD's. And yes, I'm a retard (Foolish person right?)

[messiah]

1.) You can play DX without using augmentations.
2.) End of discussion Messiah. You are wrong. Stfu and go home.

1.) Seems like you have not thought this all the way through. Could you please explain to the public how you turned off your infolink augmentation and got on with the game without the information that e.g. Alex Jacobson continously sends you or how did you save the world when you could not get out of the prison since you were not using your infolink augmentation? I bet Daedalus / Helios was pretty pissed off when he could not contact you.
2.) Another lesson taught by messiah: "Better not swallow before chewing."

[Dae]

Infolink and light are built-in augmentations, as by the plot, as by the source script. He talks about additional ones. It's possible to play without these, of course.
Don't draw analogies with singleplayer. They're very different. If you want to play DXMP as it was meant by singleplayer developers, play it without rifles and using stealth strategies and weapons.
Personally, when I was playing SP I used augs max 10-12 times, besides light (computers were bad at then).

[Snakey]

Sums the topic up nicely.

[Cereal]

Group hug!

[clyzm]

I'm bored and don't wanna reply, so I'll just say, yeah. When I can be arsed to reply, I'll probably reply being more aggressive, but I've had enough of shitheads for one day.

[Maloh]

wow im lost now...u are against 0 aug games...but then u go and argue that 0 aug games in fact dont even exist (due to light and info link aug )..so all this time yuv been staunchly against somthing that u also argue doesn't even exist in the first place???
Have Cake....Eat Cake....

[clyzm]

It's a sad mixed up world in my head.

[messiah]

wow im lost now...u are against 0 aug games...but then u go and argue that 0 aug games in fact dont even exist.

Do not mix up the SP and MP. In SP it does not exist but in MP the server hosts have the option to host a game like that.

Infolink and light are built-in augmentations

Built-in, exactly. You can not play SP without augmentations.

[Krieg]

i LOVE sarcasm in a debate

Me too , unfortunate no one understands me when I am being sarcastic.

It doesn't show anything, however. Other than the fact that you want to be clever so you insult your opponent using clever remarks. I wish people would focus more on debating rather than humiliating.

I got the impression you always use insults and try to humiliate opponents if the opponents don't agree with you about some arguments and facts :S

[xProtocol Rain]

Infolink and light are built-in augmentations

Built-in, exactly. You can not play SP without augmentations.

Yeah, you cant. But even though this will make SP alot more difficult, you can play the campaign without the use of the augmentation canisters found throughout the levels in the game. So they give you that choice to play without the use of any defensive or offensive type of augmentations in multiplayer.

[James]

wow im lost now...u are against 0 aug games...but then u go and argue that 0 aug games in fact dont even exist.

Do not mix up the SP and MP. In SP it does not exist but in MP the server hosts have the option to host a game like that.

Infolink and light are built-in augmentations

Built-in, exactly. You can not play SP without augmentations.

Yes I can.

Disable light and, hide HUD and disable the infolink somehow.

[MrBlackDX]

Imagine playing SP without Infolink or the other one

You couldnt tell who was an enemy or friend because of the green/red highlight, unless of course they were shooting at you

You couldnt fiddle with weapons or check notes, so you have to remember every single keypad code

Of course, you could go hardcore, and not upgrade skills either, so no hacking, wow, so not only do you have to remember codes, but logins as well

Imagine how amazingly hard and yet hardcore that would be

[Bob]

Do it Ben!

[Mastakilla]

][M][ can do it, easely.