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Postby Dae » Sat Jun 20, 09 3:31 pm

mondoglobo.wftk.org wrote:15 Year old Girl Jailed on Child Pornography Charges (for Sending Naked pics of herself on her cell phone)

A 15-year-old girl is accused of distributing nude photos of herself to other minors, and one state legislator is questioning whether she should be labeled a sex offender.

The Licking Valley High School student was arrested Friday after school officials discovered the materials and brought in the school's resource officer for a police investigation.

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freebrandon.org wrote:Texas Teen Sentenced To Sixty Years in Prison For Consensual Sex
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When I was 17 years old, I made a mistake, a mistake that will haunt me and my family for the rest of our lives. I had consensual sex with a girl whom I believed to be much older.

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ip-watch.org wrote:Germany Builds Infrastructure To Block The Internet

The German Parliament on Thursday evening passed legislation that obliges internet service providers (ISPs) to filter websites allegedly containing child abuse material, by a vote of 389 to 146. The vote followed fierce debate about the secret filtering list to be put together by the German Federal Police and transmitted to ISPs once a day with only occasional checks by a five-member monitoring body.

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Such news come up twice or thrice a month from different countries around the world, although most furious "antipaedophilic" campaigns take place in USA.

So, what you think about all of that — in particular:

1. Do the measures mentioned in aforementioned articles solve the problem with paedophiles?

2. Which of these things/activities do you think should be illegal:
  1. Browsing/storing child porn with kids
  2. Browsing/storing child porn with teenagers
  3. Browsing/storing 3D rendered/drawn child porn
  4. Keeping/publishing a photo, say, of your teenage daughter, lying on a beach in summer?
  5. Flirting with a teenage girl on MySpace, probably dating her
  6. Having consensual sex with a teenage girl, when you're an adult
  7. Having consensual sex with a teenage girl, when you're a teenager
  8. Saying "paedophilia is good"

3. All-in-all, is the fight against paedophiles in our society justified or is it a witch-hunt of 21st century?

Discuss.
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Postby James » Sat Jun 20, 09 4:24 pm

A, must be banned
B, is teenage experimentation if it's done by themselves
C, I heavily want it to be banned. It will make so many people cry if it was completely illegal.
D, extremely legal
E, no problem with this as long as age gap isn't big
F, no problem with this as long as age gap isn't big
G, almost absolutely no problem depending on their age, 14+ is a good age for sexual experimentation. 13 and under is a whole different story and sick to me.
H, must be banned.
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Postby Dae » Sat Jun 20, 09 4:59 pm

James wrote:I heavily want it to be banned.

it is banned in US I believe

how would you determine age on such pictures? whose rights do those pictures infringe?
what about freedom of art?
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Re: Campaigns against paedophiles

Postby Mr. Tastix » Sat Jun 20, 09 5:10 pm

Dae wrote:So, what you think about all of that — in particular:

1. Do the measures mentioned in aforementioned articles solve the problem with paedophiles?


Blocking child pornography sites I have no problem with, so long as that's all they block. Because, especially with China's case, once you start blocking certain websites people WILL get pissed off.

There's a thin line between blocking what is illegal and blocking what an ISP thinks you shouldn't view. With the case of China (not sure on Germany) they have basically no freedom of speech laws anyway, so you're fucked there for the most part.

Dae wrote:2. Which of these things/activities do you think should be illegal:
  1. Browsing/storing child porn with kids
  2. Browsing/storing child porn with teenagers
  3. Browsing/storing 3D rendered/drawn child porn
  4. Keeping/publishing a photo, say, of your teenage daughter, lying on a beach in summer?
  5. Flirting with a teenage girl on MySpace, probably dating her
  6. Having consensual sex with a teenage girl, when you're an adult
  7. Having consensual sex with a teenage girl, when you're a teenager
  8. Saying "paedophilia is good"


A. Ban it. No reason to have that shit in your possession. It's just disgusting.

B. Eh. Bit on the fence about that one. Some countries have different laws regarding to sex and the age of consent for sexual intercourse. Here in New Zealand it's legal to have sex at 16, and you're still considered a "teenager" then too. I agree with James on this one, teenage experimentation is fine if done between other teenagers. It's still classed as child porn in most countries if they're under 18 (or at the age the law classes you as a minor).

C. Other known as "lolicon" or just "loli". This man was arrested for 20 years for being in possession of animated child pornography. I don't like it, it's pretty fucken weird IMO (have no problem with any form of animated porn but animated child porn is just ugh...) but it doesn't worry me it being legal so long as it does not depict a real person.

D. Depends on the context of the image, though. Now, if you'd said " Keeping/publishing a photo, say, of your teenage daughter, lying on a beach naked in summer?" I'd say fucken ban the shit. But since most (I bet there are some sick fucks out there with naked pics of their children, and I do not mean baby photos) pictures of your children will be with them clothed (even partially, such as with swim gear on) it's pretty legal.

E. Legal. I've never had a problem with it. I think age is but a number and doesn't represent maturity in any way. But I still respect the age of consent laws in regards to sex and think they need to stay. Anyone under 18 can have sex with people their own IMO, but let's say a 17 year old had sex with a 10 year old? Illegal, IMO. After 18 you can have any relationship with any age you want. Whether they be 20 or 75.

F. Depends on age gap. As said at 18 age gap means nothing to me. But if the other person is WAY UNDER 18 years old then no, I don't agree with it. To put it in perspective, my parents have a 9-year age gap. Now, at their age it means shit (and that will keep rising, if we lived for 1000 years going out with a 950 person wouldn't seem like such a big deal, would it? But going out with someone 300 years younger seems rather odd, hypothetically speaking) but if you're 18 that means they're 9. And that's just too big an age gap for me.

G. I agree with James on this. 14 is generally the "cap" I'll go to in terms of sex (not what I'd go to personally, since that'd be pretty messed up at my age).

H. Anyone who says this should be shot, or at least beaten severely. I'm not kidding either, that's my opinion at least. There forums online with people who think this and I honestly find it fucking disgusting and unimaginably sick. I can joke about this and other "taboo" crap all the time, but there is a limit and I know that limit. Saying it's "good" or "right" breaks that limit.
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Postby James » Sat Jun 20, 09 5:14 pm

Dae wrote:
James wrote:I heavily want it to be banned.

it is banned in US I believe

how would you determine age on such pictures? whose rights do those pictures infringe?
what about freedom of art?



I've heard this argument before. If artists claim "she's 120 years old!!!!" then it's still pedophillia just because it's an underdeveloped body. People aren't supposed to be attracted to physically young girls even if they're like 30 lol. Even midgets are developed.
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Postby Dae » Sat Jun 20, 09 5:22 pm

James wrote:underdeveloped body

what if the picture portrays Martians or some aliens of planet X323b6?

You both are speaking on behalf of morale, i.e. what is disguisting for you and what's not. By this way we'd need to ban any form of sexual deviation.
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Postby Mr. Tastix » Sat Jun 20, 09 5:23 pm

I don't have a problem with this situation too much, one I've seen many times: Random "child" character taken from random book/comic/TV series/movie, drawn as an adult variation of said child.

So long as the art at hand is drawn LIKE AN ADULT. Lolicon is drawn porn of CHILDREN. Erotic pictures with the persons having child-like characteristics. Anything like that is fucked up, in my opinion of course.

EDIT: Note that most of this is due to subjectivity. Since this is our opinions. I dislike child porn, and lolicon, many people do. So much that it's made illegal in the United States.

A lot artwork sites have always banned it (such as deviantART for instance) and a lot of sites don't condone it. Why would they? It can possibly make the site look bad to condone such a controversial and illegal subject (child porn).

Aliens are still different. You won't get by me by saying "BUT THIS IS AN ALIEN THAT IS DISGUISED AS A HUMAN". So fucken what. Child porn is child porn, you come to me showing me that shit and I'll burn your precious "artwork" to ash.

If it looks like a human, it's a human. Like I said, anyone can lie. Anyone can lie through their teeth if they want something to be accepted. People have.
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Postby James » Sat Jun 20, 09 5:24 pm

Dae wrote:
James wrote:underdeveloped body

what if the picture portrays Martians or some aliens of planet X323b6?

You both are speaking on behalf of morale, i.e. what is disguisting for you and what's not. By this way we'd need to ban any form of sexual deviation.


Underdeveloped represents purity, and I couldn't care less if it wasn't human as long as it isn't any anthropomorphic animals because I hold furries at perverted gunpoint more than pedos.
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Postby Mr. Tastix » Sat Jun 20, 09 5:29 pm

James wrote:
Dae wrote:
James wrote:underdeveloped body

what if the picture portrays Martians or some aliens of planet X323b6?

You both are speaking on behalf of morale, i.e. what is disguisting for you and what's not. By this way we'd need to ban any form of sexual deviation.


Underdeveloped represents purity, and I couldn't care less if it wasn't human as long as it isn't any anthropomorphic animals because I hold furries at perverted gunpoint more than pedos.


Meh. Anthropomorphic characters is fine to me so long as it represents "adult" animals (since they still hold human-like features). Still somewhat weird but so long as it doesn't look a child I've got no problems with it.

This works for any animated porn. If it doesn't look like a child, I don't give a shit. Not all animated "porn" is bad, it'd just be nice if the artist could have a bit more creativity than having two drawings screwing each other (to be rather blunt).
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Postby Dae » Sat Jun 20, 09 5:35 pm

Psychotic wrote:Still somewhat weird but so long as it doesn't look a child

who and how are they going to determine — what looks like a child and what's not, so in case of lawsuit the judgement could be given?
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Postby clyzm » Sat Jun 20, 09 6:31 pm

1. Sixty years in jail might be way too strict, otherwise the power of correctional facilities should solve things. If it's not the complete lack of anything under 18 years old, then it has to be the way inmates treat pedophiles when they find out about them (hassle them CONSTANTLY).

2.
A. No it's not right.
B. I disagree with this one, it should not be legal either.
C. Artistry has limits, but I wouldn't approve of it whatsoever. Not sure with everyone else.
D. All right with me.
E. As long as you're not 30.
F. Legal, but I've seen people get arrested simply because they got the girl drunk first and somehow that's an act of rape.
G. Sure, it's alright.
H. No, you can't say that seriously.

3. Some parts it is a witch hunt, for example the one teenage kid I read about who got arrested when he casually slapped another teenager's ass. Other parts, it is completely justified.
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Postby Mr. Tastix » Sat Jun 20, 09 7:53 pm

portable mp3 player wrote:F. Legal, but I've seen people get arrested simply because they got the girl drunk first and somehow that's an act of rape.


I sorta agree with that. Regardless of legality or not it's morally wrong (for me anyways) to take advantage of anyone in such a way as getting them drunk.

Anyone could say sure, you choose to get drunk and while that's all good and dandy I wouldn't say that people go out to get pissed and think they'll get taken advantage of during their drunkenness. Not everyone goes to parties or a bar with that sort of paranoia.

So while it's may be nice to drink once in a while getting drunk is a common side-effect of drinking alcohol. Being taken advantage of shouldn't be.
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Postby Siva » Sat Jun 20, 09 9:32 pm

a. Disgusting, illegal.
b. Disgusting, illegal.
c. Whatever the parent wants, if you're too stupid to see the flaws in such actions then whatever.
d. Sad, but shouldn't be illegal.
e. This should be illegal. Anyone should be able to clearly see that the overwhelming majority of teenage girls are barely capable of a non-sexual relationship with their own peers. A sexual relationship with an adult should remain out of the question for many, many obvious reasons. The age of consent between teenagers should be 15-18 and 18+ people can only fuck each other.
f. This better remain legal.
h. Eh. No.
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Postby James » Sat Jun 20, 09 9:33 pm

why do you assume the teenager is female at e?
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Postby Baleout » Sat Jun 20, 09 11:42 pm

James wrote:why do you assume the teenager is female at e?


uh...

Dae wrote:e: Flirting with a teenage girl on MySpace, probably dating her
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Postby James » Sun Jun 21, 09 6:53 am

oops i meant f :@

but e counts too i guess
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Postby Gishank » Sun Jun 21, 09 1:21 pm

Browsing/storing child porn with kids - It's non-negotiable, it must be banned.

Browsing/storing child porn with teenagers - 13, 14, 15, 16 and 17 year olds are intelligable enough in my personal opinion (being 16 myself) to know what they're doing. Though i disagree with child porn existing. There is a major technicality. If a girl, 15, sends a nude image concentially to her boyfriend of the same age, or visa-versa, then it shouldn't be illegal assuming that the image stays between them. But in saying that, assuming the image stays between them they won't get caught.

Browsing/storing 3D rendered/drawn child porn - Although this should be illegal, it cannot be strictly enforced as the producer of said child porn/3D rendered porn could easily claim that it isn't a child, and that it is rather a midget.

Keeping/publishing a photo, say, of your teenage daughter, lying on a beach in summer? - Assuming the image isn't pornographic/nude i personally wouldn't see the issue with it.

Flirting with a teenage girl on MySpace, probably dating her - I'm 16, so yeah. Ultimately it'd depend on an age gap. But if an adult would need to find solice in a 13-16 year old girl then they need a reality check.

Having consensual sex with a teenage girl, when you're an adult - Teenage also includes 19, 18 and 17 year olds. Though for 16 and under ultimately i'd say it was illegal as the chances are the adult in question only has one goal - and that's to get down below, and thus the teenager in question is pressured into it.

Having consensual sex with a teenage girl, when you're a teenager - Ultimately i'd personally say it should be legal assuming that there is at maximum one year age-gap between the two.

Saying "paedophilia is good" - If anyone says that then they should be neutered.
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Postby Spiderbot01 » Sun Jun 21, 09 10:08 pm

Gishank wrote:Saying "paedophilia is good" - If anyone says that then they should be neutered.


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Postby James » Sun Jun 21, 09 10:12 pm

Klop is pretty balling these days with those fly honies like.
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Postby Spiderbot01 » Sun Jun 21, 09 10:14 pm

You were so ghetto until you ended your sentence with 'like'. fucking scouse
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Postby MainMan » Sun Jun 21, 09 10:19 pm

These days? Klop was balling in the womb.
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Postby James » Sun Jun 21, 09 10:19 pm

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