Deus Ex Alpha

Tonight the BBC are going to publically televise a mainstream politics show "Question Time" with the party leader of the British National Party representing. This has already been a hot-topic recently with British media and the population alike. Now we can all argue for HOURS about the BNP's frankly repulsive policies, but the question is "does a party of these extreme belong on a mainstream politics show?".

To non-British forum members unfamiliar with the BNP, I can offer a Wikipedia entry which should get you up to speed should you feel the obligation to join in; in fact do join in to get some neutrality on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_National_Party

We live in a democracy so yeah, it's right.

Of course, but to put it on such a high-profile show puts it in the headlights of mainstream politics, and that (obviously) is false.

If the BNP really are as bastardly as the media make them out to be (which lets be serious, they probably are) then all they can possibly do on Question Time is make themselves look worse.

Ironic that the lefties are so in favour of free speech and shit until someone has something they don't want to hear, then it's all LALALALAALALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING

I'm interested in what they have to say, but even the torries are better than them in their methods.

That's like allowing the ACP to host MSNBC

That was entertaining.

Some of the jeering from the crowd pissed me off though. Let the guy speak damn.

I loved the black lady.

And the 6 people who kept clapping for griffin, only to have the entire audience just turn and stare.

Jack Straw is a hero.

Jack Straw, sorry for jumping the bandwagon but he's an in denial fuck. The conservative can suck my dick though. Lib Dem 4 life

I disagree that there is a problem with the current levels of immigration.

AAAAAAAHA, I expect everyone in my countries to have some understanding of our national language "English" regardless of race. I hate it in my work when our subcontractors get no accesses from tennants who don't speak a word of English which is a very common problem for our order closure and commercial team.

Their inability doesn't stem from the simple fact that they are immigrants, and them being immigrants isn't the problem. We need them in our country, it's just the failure in the provision of universal support for them.

The vast majority of immigrants coming into this country do so to work, or to seek genuine, legitimate asylum. As a conservative, I don't say that lightly. They have a far superior work ethic to those of this country, they want to work and are willing to take any they can get, and generally speaking tend to end up doing jobs people pass over in favour of benefits. Yes thats a sweeping generalisation, but one in many cases is true.

If you can be a bin man or get benefits, both of which gain you similar amounts, theres a fair chance you'll choose the latter, and please dont debate on this point as there are statistics somewhere that will back it up.

We need immigrants and they need support, especially in the case that you've provided James. They should be taught a certain amount of English, especially in jobs that require a great deal of interaction with others. Especially in terms of skilled foreign workers, such as those from eastern europe and the far east, india etc.

Of course we need immigrants who actually do something, but the fact is there's too many who don't do anything.

And theres too many England born people who don't do anything either

I think we need to sort out the benefit system before immigration

Protocol wrote:That was entertaining.

Some of the jeering from the crowd pissed me off though. Let the guy speak damn.

But there was considerably less than I was expecting.


Also, great point MrBlack.

MrBlack wrote:And theres too many England born people who don't do anything either

I think we need to sort out the benefit system before immigration

We have a benefit system over here, and it works fantastic. Granted, there will always be the population of those who choose not to work :/ but in short, it works.

Spiderbot01 wrote:If you can be a bin man or get benefits, both of which gain you similar amounts, theres a fair chance you'll choose the latter

As far as I know a bin man gets decent pay here in Holland... What do they get in the Englishlands?

Also, if you immigrate to a certain place, the least you can do is learn the language...
Learn it before you fack off from your country or something, or if they fleeing because of a war,
go to a country that speaks the same or a similar language

Nick griffin got pwnt, and if they're gonna have 2 seats in European Parliament then they should be on question time like everyone else is, if he wasn't such a cretin he wouldn't have got pwnt so bad.

People are complaining that the BBC should've stayed 'impartial' and not let him be scrutinized, but surely staying impartial means not defending him and having him on the show..


EDIT: lol

I watched it yesterday and today, and I just have to say what really showed was his shallow theory on EVERYTHING.

True British patriotism, in my opinion, is valuing diverse culture. We weren't native to the land, our blood has been soiled by Romans and all the different peoples they brought over. The Angles and the Saxons of course invaded and settled here (Angles and Saxons > Anglo-Saxon > England). William the Conqueror settled here with I'm sure a LOT of French. During the world wars we brought over countless Pakistani and Indians to re-populate and fight for us.

There is no such thing as a "True blooded english/british person", being British defines multiculturalism.

There's no place for his out-moded hate based racism.

Especially since he puts it to Christian ideology, an ideology which moved away from Jewish attitude (only Jews can be Jewish), which then embraced ALL cultures as being able to take on Christian values.

Regardless, Christianity is supposed to embrace a love-thy-neighbour attitude (in theory of course... in practice most Christians are as judgemental as they come).

Sort out the benefit system, stop idiots using and abusing tax money, consider the lack of employment in the UK, take in willing-to-work asylum seekers, (or at least those who need to escape an awful existence), and be the flagship country of unity, not of hate for the minority.

MrBlack wrote:During the world wars we brought over countless Pakistani and Indians to re-populate and fight for us.

I think they were brought over to work and fight for yous, even they expected to be going back with a nice ammount of money... Why didn't they?

Or am I wrong here...

I agree with the rest of what you said.

MrBlack wrote:Regardless, Christianity is supposed to embrace a love-thy-neighbour attitude (in theory of course... in practice most Christians are as judgemental as they come).

I agree, but it must be somewhat annoying to see Mosques showing up just about everywhere... I know it's annoying here in holland.

To stop the abuse in the benefit system, throwing out alot of immigrants seems like a GREAT start. Immigrants on benefit, seriously, what good are they?

I do reckon that hard working and immigrants that have been there for several generations should be allowed a chance to stay. But other than that the rules on immigration should be a bit more strict, IMO.

True blooded English is ofcourse a weird idea, and just makes you look like a fascist. Should change it to proud English person.

MastaKilla wrote:

MrBlack wrote:During the world wars we brought over countless Pakistani and Indians to re-populate and fight for us.

I think they were brought over to work and fight for yous, even they expected to be going back with a nice ammount of money... Why didn't they?

I'm happy for them to stay here, like the Gurhka's, they fight for our coountry, they have a right to stay here.

MastaKilla wrote:

MrBlack wrote:Regardless, Christianity is supposed to embrace a love-thy-neighbour attitude (in theory of course... in practice most Christians are as judgemental as they come).

I agree, but it must be somewhat annoying to see Mosques showing up just about everywhere... I know it's annoying here in holland.

Not really, seeing cultures and impressive buildings pop up just improves the crappy sardine cities we live in.

MastaKilla wrote:To stop the abuse in the benefit system, throwing out alot of immigrants seems like a GREAT start. Immigrants on benefit, seriously, what good are they?

About as good as English people on benefit, the problem is the abuse of the benefit system, not who is abusing it.

When I went it to get my benefit (when I was out of a job, worst part of my life), all I saw were white middle aged English men not doing ANYTHING to get themselves a job. So really the main abusers of the benefit system are the English, not immigrants.

MastaKilla wrote:I do reckon that hard working and immigrants that have been there for several generations should be allowed a chance to stay. But other than that the rules on immigration should be a bit more strict, IMO.

Immigration is only a problem when there is a lack of jobs to support them. If we had thousands of jobs going, I would welcome them in.

MastaKilla wrote:True blooded English is ofcourse a weird idea, and just makes you look like a fascist. Should change it to proud English person.

Why be patriotic, when the best qualities of your country are defined by high intellectual based culture, and those qualities are shoved aside for the following;

Hooliganism, ignorance, racism, other stupid predujices, reality tv shows, shallow interest in celebritys.

English patrotism is mistaken pride based on the lie that any of us are truely native to our country. Even our patron saint is a lie. His main story is him defeating a dragon... right...

We should be celebrating our unequaled intellect, not our mundane stupidity.

Burn the mosques, burn the churches, and anyone getting in the way of. Other than that, having lot of cultures together is interesting. Here where I live I maybe see a black guy every few months, and not even exaggerating. If youre a hardcore estonian you also need to refer to them as n iggers, because the language specialists decided on that.

Far left, -right or -center parties are only useful for breaking shit apart. Building is something they fail at.

MrBlack wrote:I'm happy for them to stay here, like the Gurhka's, they fight for our coountry, they have a right to stay here.

They have a right to stay in my opinion, of course. But I don't think they even wanted to do so in the first place? They wanted to make money for their families to live well in their own country, I thought...

MrBlack wrote:Not really, seeing cultures and impressive buildings pop up just improves the crappy sardine cities we live in.

I suppose this is different for each person. Some people are bothered by it and some aren't, and they can argue it for eternity.
Let me give you an example though, when I was young I lived in this neighbourhood full of Dutch people, was the best time of my life...
Untill out of nowhere there were about 8-10 muslim families showing up out of nowhere and a mosque was built right around the corner of my street,
so all the time we had a shitload of these people gathered around there and the most annoying gibberish coming out of the speakers or whatever it is from there.
They stuck with their own kind, and so did we, and as you can guess at some point shit hit the fan.
We can blame this on both sides for not hanging out with eachother, but in all honestly, who should be the ones adapting to who?
They have to adapt to our cultures, they can still follow their own stuff obviously but show some respect for the country you live in.

MrBlack wrote:About as good as English people on benefit, the problem is the abuse of the benefit system, not who is abusing it.

When I went it to get my benefit (when I was out of a job, worst part of my life), all I saw were white middle aged English men not doing ANYTHING to get themselves a job. So really the main abusers of the benefit system are the English, not immigrants.

I can't speak for England obviously and I believe you if you say there's probably more English people on benefit over there,
here that's certainly not the case however. The system needs to be sorted, but it's easy to critisize it, just try and think of a fair solution, there really isn't one...

MrBlack wrote:Immigration is only a problem when there is a lack of jobs to support them. If we had thousands of jobs going, I would welcome them in.

So you don't welcome them in now?

Can't argue with what you said about patriotism now, I guess you got me there.