Deus Ex Alpha

My friend in the UK is an avid XBOX user.
He came to my house and watched me map, surf a DX forum and play DX on three different servers, DXMS, GODZ and [A]Nobody.
He was really impressed with DX, but not DX players.

He could not believe (unlike Xbox)

1. There is no flaming zone (LOBBY), flaming is done in forums and servers.
2. There is no kicking of anyone verbally abusing in a server.
3. That some servers lag so much
4. That when it doesnt lag, the quality is so good for such an old game.
5. That you are able to communicate with the enemy team
6. That accusation is flying left and right without proof in servers, even from Admins.
7. there is no kicking for a teamkill and no losing of your score
8. There is no kicking of spwnkillers and no servers which are spwnkill servers...
9. Rant Rant Rant Rant
10. Rant some more

Suggestion, leading clans like [A] rethink the DX playing format.

If we are ever to attract new players and compete with newer gaming systems and games, it needs to be less stressful and more condusive to a good game, with skill and honour...

11. you are a n00b, go play back to godz.

these servers are all for n00bs. why you didnt play on triad server yesterday? there were ppl in whole evening. it was awesome game, even i came to check a bit, no matter i had no time cos of studying.

go back to godz, cry there how the game is laggy and unplayable. jezus fuck man, dont u get it that godz is NOT dxmp? dxmp servers are triad, EL, T, G,... but definatelly not godz, godz is far from being dxmp server. its a disgrace for dxmp community.

DejaVu wrote:11. you are a n00b, go play back to godz.

these servers are all for n00bs. why you didnt play on triad server yesterday? there were ppl in whole evening. it was awesome game, even i came to check a bit, no matter i had no time cos of studying.

go back to godz, cry there how the game is laggy and unplayable. jezus fuck man, dont u get it that godz is NOT dxmp? dxmp servers are triad, EL, T, G,... but definatelly not godz, godz is far from being dxmp server. its a disgrace for dxmp community.

What is wrong with this man?

I play on DXMS, FGS, GM, Rhino's, Bowens, Drunkards and Stargate, I went to GODZ to show him lag... I used to play on GODZ sure...I used to play Counter-Strike too, so I dont mind a bit of frag, rather than DX now and then...

Thanks for the insult and welcome friendliness, perhaps NC is right, you are trouble. What did I ever do or say to you...

Flaming is hell, humour is heaven...

Perhaps you need your A$$ whopped by me sometime in a server, to prove that I am no GODZ noob...

Since you are telling me to go away, I might just stick around...
Who are you anyway?

ShadowRunner wrote:I play on DXMS, FGS, GM, Rhino's, Bowens, Drunkards and Stargate, I went to GODZ to show him lag... I used to play on GODZ sure...I used to play Counter-Strike too, so I dont mind a bit of frag, rather than DX now and then...

Thanks for the insult and welcome friendliness, perhaps NC is right, you are trouble. What did I ever do or say to you...

Flaming is hell, humour is heaven...

Perhaps you need your A$$ whopped by me sometime in a server, to prove that I am no GODZ noob...

Since you are telling me to go away, I might just stick around...
Who are you anyway?

Lol, you try to defend the fact you aren't noobish yet most of the servers you mentioned ARE in fact noobish, and you don't even know who Dejavu is

IMO, everyone who joined dxmp after 2003 is a noob, cos they've no fucking idea how good dxmp used to be.

Lazer wrote:

ShadowRunner wrote:I play on DXMS, FGS, GM, Rhino's, Bowens, Drunkards and Stargate, I went to GODZ to show him lag... I used to play on GODZ sure...I used to play Counter-Strike too, so I dont mind a bit of frag, rather than DX now and then...

Thanks for the insult and welcome friendliness, perhaps NC is right, you are trouble. What did I ever do or say to you...

Flaming is hell, humour is heaven...

Perhaps you need your A$$ whopped by me sometime in a server, to prove that I am no GODZ noob...

Since you are telling me to go away, I might just stick around...
Who are you anyway?

Lol, you try to defend the fact you aren't noobish yet most of the servers you mentioned ARE in fact noobish, and you don't even know who Dejavu is

IMO, everyone who joined dxmp after 2003 is a noob, cos they've no fucking idea how good dxmp used to be.

Please, define noob

JCL's who don't have the foggiest about what dxmp used to be about, only know what it has become. The ones who think players like Papparoach are gods of dx and [A] have always been the hub of the deus ex community (no offence) and think if they get accepted here they have somehow 'made it'. Unfortuantely many of todays players think godz IS dxmp.

Lazer wrote:

ShadowRunner wrote:I play on DXMS, FGS, GM, Rhino's, Bowens, Drunkards and Stargate, I went to GODZ to show him lag... I used to play on GODZ sure...I used to play Counter-Strike too, so I dont mind a bit of frag, rather than DX now and then...

Thanks for the insult and welcome friendliness, perhaps NC is right, you are trouble. What did I ever do or say to you...

Flaming is hell, humour is heaven...

Perhaps you need your A$$ whopped by me sometime in a server, to prove that I am no GODZ noob...

Since you are telling me to go away, I might just stick around...
Who are you anyway?

Lol, you try to defend the fact you aren't noobish yet most of the servers you mentioned ARE in fact noobish, and you don't even know who Dejavu is

IMO, everyone who joined dxmp after 2003 is a noob, cos they've no fucking idea how good dxmp used to be.

good to feel appreciated mate rofl

Its a shame i wasnt around before 2003, wouldve had good times

It's actually true, i came around during 2003 for a bit, and hey presto i suck at dx :-/

Lazer wrote:JCL's who don't have the foggiest about what dxmp used to be about, only know what it has become. The ones who think players like Papparoach are gods of dx and [A] have always been the hub of the deus ex community (no offence) and think if they get accepted here they have somehow 'made it'. Unfortuantely many of todays players think godz IS dxmp.

Interesting... I play DXMP since 2003. The registration date of these forums (So, my account), is kinda similar to the date when I started playing DXMP.
So you say I'm a noob... but I don't think Pappa is a god. I think the opposite

~[A]lex~ wrote:

Lazer wrote:JCL's who don't have the foggiest about what dxmp used to be about, only know what it has become. The ones who think players like Papparoach are gods of dx and [A] have always been the hub of the deus ex community (no offence) and think if they get accepted here they have somehow 'made it'. Unfortuantely many of todays players think godz IS dxmp.

Interesting... I play DXMP since 2003. The registration date of these forums (So, my account), is kinda similar to the date when I started playing DXMP.
So you say I'm a noob... but I don't think Pappa is a god. I think the opposite

So you think his the devil comming to reap your souls?

Been playing since August 2004, guess I fall into the noob category : (

I so wish I could've played MP before then, I've had DX since 2002, but I only had some shitty dialup connection I was never allowed to use until August 2004, when I got Broadband.

Started playing on and off around August/September '03 then joined Alpha in December Ahh the days were good... MANY hours of getting trained by Dae

ShadowRunner wrote:

DejaVu wrote:11. you are a n00b, go play back to godz.

these servers are all for n00bs. why you didnt play on triad server yesterday? there were ppl in whole evening. it was awesome game, even i came to check a bit, no matter i had no time cos of studying.

go back to godz, cry there how the game is laggy and unplayable. jezus fuck man, dont u get it that godz is NOT dxmp? dxmp servers are triad, EL, T, G,... but definatelly not godz, godz is far from being dxmp server. its a disgrace for dxmp community.

What is wrong with this man?

I play on DXMS, FGS, GM, Rhino's, Bowens, Drunkards and Stargate, I went to GODZ to show him lag... I used to play on GODZ sure...I used to play Counter-Strike too, so I dont mind a bit of frag, rather than DX now and then...

Thanks for the insult and welcome friendliness, perhaps NC is right, you are trouble. What did I ever do or say to you...

Flaming is hell, humour is heaven...

Perhaps you need your A$$ whopped by me sometime in a server, to prove that I am no GODZ noob...

Since you are telling me to go away, I might just stick around...
Who are you anyway?

what did u do to me? let me explain you. you support GODZ server. for you, GODZ server is keeping DXMP alive. but what GODZ server is actually doing is taking 90% of newbs and giving them wrong impression about dxmp. giving them impression of shitty, lame, nonskilled, laggy and unbalanced game. that means that 80% of possible aug players never come to play dxmp so far to even see augged servers, cos they see that the game is disgusting, by joining GODZ server. less auggers affect me and whole augging part of community directly, since we have to face empty servers. so, indirectly, you did harm me.

you said on your own, that your friend was wondering about lag. lag by itself isnt part of dxmp. a good hoster is able to manage the server that way it wont lag. sadly, nochanc isnt able to do it. he still hosts shitty maps, even tho his connection is not so good to hold downloaders. plus, his performance with 12+ is everything but good. if you dont want lag, then check out my servers. there wont be a single bit of lag within 20min of map round and 10 ppl can download maps, it still wont affect ping in game.

I say DX is shit now.

Thanks to GODZ (server, snakey, the fucking server not the clan) and all the veterans who enjoy verbally offending newbies to make them look superior.

Congrats, you who oh so die to have the old DX back were also taking part in bringing it down.

Hahaha that is fucked up, i spent half my time fucking training newcomers

We all know that Ben character is to blame.

Lazer wrote:Lol, you try to defend the fact you aren't noobish yet most of the servers you mentioned ARE in fact noobish, and you don't even know who Dejavu is

IMO, everyone who joined dxmp after 2003 is a noob, cos they've no fucking idea how good dxmp used to be.

You do realise not EVERYONE who goes to GODZ server are noobs. I don't play there personally, when I played often I got taught how to play on [EL]'s Server.

Now, I only went to GODZ server once, and that was to see what all this comotion about how fucken gay, slow and noobish it really is. And naturally, I found out that it was all three of those things.

But saying that people who started playing DXMP AFTER 2003 are noobs, that's low man, that's REAL low. To be honest, in my opinion, YOU'RE the noob. The only noob is someone who calls others noobs.

I started playing only last year and loved every little bit of it, I started playing DX in like 2002 but never had the cash to actually buy the game and experience it Multiplayer due to:

1. No money to buy the game.
2. On Dial-Up the game would've lagged alot more then, then it does now as DSL wasn't out then.

So don't you go telling people they're noobs because they didn't play before 2003. And don't flame me because I'm sticking up for those players who did play after 2003 like myself. But quite frankly, you obviously don't know what a noob really is!

veterans who enjoy verbally offending newbies to make them look superior

Right!

and you all have to understand that as GODZ conditions, as zero-aug, as any other conditions dxmp servers offer are equally weighty part of DXMP as those augs =/

Jesus christ people, way to miss the bloody point.

The guy makes some good points, and instead of actually doing something about it, or poliety pointing him to your "OMGZ WONAGE!!111" server, you flame him.

Well done, bogans.

DejaVu wrote:11. you are a n00b, go play back to godz.

these servers are all for n00bs. why you didnt play on triad server yesterday? there were ppl in whole evening. it was awesome game, even i came to check a bit, no matter i had no time cos of studying.

go back to godz, cry there how the game is laggy and unplayable. jezus fuck man, dont u get it that godz is NOT dxmp? dxmp servers are triad, EL, T, G,... but definatelly not godz, godz is far from being dxmp server. its a disgrace for dxmp community.

Jesus Christ...wtf.

~Psychotic~ wrote:But saying that people who started playing DXMP AFTER 2003 are noobs, that's low man, that's REAL low. To be honest, in my opinion, YOU'RE the noob. The only noob is someone who calls others noobs.

Actually, i agree with that. People who call others noob ARE the noobs themselves. However i only apply this to in-game. You would never in a million years see me call anyone noob in game, regardless of their ability. That is gay, insulting and to be fair has no place in online gaming imo. Everyone (even the one calling the noob) started off as a 'noob' in the 1st place.

But here i'm on a forum tbh, what i really wanted to call em are JCL's (johnny-come-latelys) to the game but none of u would have known what i meant so i said noob.

I started playing only last year and loved every little bit of it, I started playing DX in like 2002 but never had the cash to actually buy the game and experience it Multiplayer due to:

1. No money to buy the game.
2. On Dial-Up the game would've lagged alot more then, then it does now as DSL wasn't out then.

No excuse! I was on dial up till about end of 2004, and had been playin dxmp since 2000. They were actually my most enjoyable times of deus ex. Getting battered on TCNdk server by all the low-pinging bastards

So don't you go telling people they're noobs because they didn't play before 2003. And don't flame me because I'm sticking up for those players who did play after 2003 like myself. But quite frankly, you obviously don't know what a noob really

You got the wrong end of the stick. I meant the only players that can possibly be classed as noobs ARE those that joined after about 2003/2004 because by then the deus ex peak was over and in decline. NOT ALL JCL's ARE NOOBS, just these ones.......

JCL's who don't have the foggiest about what dxmp used to be about, only know what it has become. The ones who think players like Papparoach are gods of dx and [A] have always been the hub of the deus ex community (no offence) and think if they get accepted here they have somehow 'made it'. Unfortuantely many of todays players think godz IS dxmp.

and you have to admit, there are plenty.

DX Was uber back in '02, I was 8, and fairly stupid, my deaths 9/10 times would exceed my kills, and clans like [NSF] And (TA) Existed.. Yup Yup.. Good times. And Kon was in my clan too =O.

Good times.

Then I left >_<;

And now I am back \o/.

Anyway - Back to the point..

Shadowrunner makes some good points, but does he not know the coding and UI overhaul that would be required to make a new game?

Why don't we just make DX2 On the fucking source engine... On second thought.. That doesnt sound like.. a bad... idea..

WHO'S GOT MONEY TO BUY THE DX FRANCHISE!?

ShadowRunner wrote:My friend in the UK is an avid XBOX user.
He came to my house and watched me map, surf a DX forum and play DX on three different servers, DXMS, GODZ and [A]Nobody.
He was really impressed with DX, but not DX players.

He could not believe (unlike Xbox)

1. There is no flaming zone (LOBBY), flaming is done in forums and servers.
2. There is no kicking of anyone verbally abusing in a server.
3. That some servers lag so much
4. That when it doesnt lag, the quality is so good for such an old game.
5. That you are able to communicate with the enemy team
6. That accusation is flying left and right without proof in servers, even from Admins.
7. there is no kicking for a teamkill and no losing of your score
8. There is no kicking of spwnkillers and no servers which are spwnkill servers...
9. Rant Rant Rant Rant
10. Rant some more

Suggestion, leading clans like [A] rethink the DX playing format.

If we are ever to attract new players and compete with newer gaming systems and games, it needs to be less stressful and more condusive to a good game, with skill and honour...

Those are some nice points there, and a nice Suggestion. Your friend needs to get out more or at least try a more wider range of consoles. I prefer the PC, PlayStation 2, and Nintendo consoles, lol. Xbox looks incredibly crap to me.

Point 1-2: I'd also rather flame in an actual Forum, sorry... Let me rephrase that, I would rather rant in an actual Forum, not on a gaming console. Kicking someone by verbally abusing them is just plain rude. At least some points of DX are civilised.

Point 3-4: Lag is inevitible in any Multiplayer online game. You'll also experience in LAN connection games. And as for Point 4, well that's pretty obvious. Even old games can be great ones when the lag is low.

Point 5: This amuses me, it means that you can obviously not chat to the opposing team which would usually suck for me as I when I was being taught how to play, my... mentor if you will, played on the opposing team obviously.

Point 7: I personally don't like the idea of being kicked for team-killing someone as occasionly, it can be an accident. Example - When your knifing some guy, someone on your own team can accidently get in the way which can cause you to kill them. Naturally it's there own damn fault though. However, losing 1-2 points for team-killing like BF1942 and BF2 would be good.

Point 8: The problem with this is that on some games like Battlefield there are actual Spawm Points, on DX there is Spawn Points but you don't CHOOSE them and you don't know if someone will spawn in that exact place. Also, spawn-killing in my opinion is a technique, an annoying one but fun on newbies, rofl.

Lazer wrote:

~Psychotic~ wrote:But saying that people who started playing DXMP AFTER 2003 are noobs, that's low man, that's REAL low. To be honest, in my opinion, YOU'RE the noob. The only noob is someone who calls others noobs.

Actually, i agree with that. People who call others noob ARE the noobs themselves. However i only apply this to in-game. You would never in a million years see me call anyone noob in game, regardless of their ability. That is gay, insulting and to be fair has no place in online gaming imo. Everyone (even the one calling the noob) started off as a 'noob' in the 1st place.

But here i'm on a forum tbh, what i really wanted to call em are JCL's (johnny-come-latelys) to the game but none of u would have known what i meant so i said noob.

I started playing only last year and loved every little bit of it, I started playing DX in like 2002 but never had the cash to actually buy the game and experience it Multiplayer due to:

1. No money to buy the game.
2. On Dial-Up the game would've lagged alot more then, then it does now as DSL wasn't out then.

No excuse! I was on dial up till about end of 2004, and had been playin dxmp since 2000. They were actually my most enjoyable times of deus ex. Getting battered on TCNdk server by all the low-pinging bastards

So don't you go telling people they're noobs because they didn't play before 2003. And don't flame me because I'm sticking up for those players who did play after 2003 like myself. But quite frankly, you obviously don't know what a noob really

You got the wrong end of the stick. I meant the only players that can possibly be classed as noobs ARE those that joined after about 2003/2004 because by then the deus ex peak was over and in decline. NOT ALL JCL's ARE NOOBS, just these ones.......

JCL's who don't have the foggiest about what dxmp used to be about, only know what it has become. The ones who think players like Papparoach are gods of dx and [A] have always been the hub of the deus ex community (no offence) and think if they get accepted here they have somehow 'made it'. Unfortuantely many of todays players think godz IS dxmp.

and you have to admit, there are plenty.

So, I'm a noob am I? I may be a newbie, but I'm no fucken noob. Now, me having Dial-Up and no money is a damn excuse, how do you BUY something with NO money. What, do you think I'm gunna steal it? Yeah fucking right!

And one more thing, no one started as a "noob," they started as a "newbie." A noob is someone who is a fucking annoying little prick and won't shut up about anything, they also like to talk in utter language that litterally no one understands or gives a damn rats ass about (not the language like "ur a n00b" but "urafuckennoobandimgunnakickurass" words, or using numbers for letters, meh)...

A newbie on the other hand, is someone who is NEW TO THE GAME. They want advice and people will give it to them if they're willing to learn and not be fucken annoying. That's what I was, that's what I am still. I was taught as a newbie and would be still taught but have no longer got a mentor, rofl.

Also, sorry for double posting... Warn me if I must be warned.

Chill people, chill.

Let's all agree on these facts;

* The time you started does not make you a noob.
* Equally, your time playing DX does not make you leet. (DejaVu and NoChanc prove that, I'm afraid.)
* Augs is not "The one true DXMP". It's a great reason to play DX, but some times mindless fragging is what the doctor ordered.
* Dx on Dial-up is fun, but can be annoying. (Trust me, I spent 90% of my DX time on it with 400+ pings all the time. I'm on b/band and I still get 400pings.)
* Age means nothing if you are a jackarse.

Now, with that out of the way continue.

DarkKnight wrote:Chill people, chill.

Let's all agree on these facts;

* The time you started does not make you a noob.
* Equally, your time playing DX does not make you leet. (DejaVu and NoChanc prove that, I'm afraid.)
* Augs is not "The one true DXMP". It's a great reason to play DX, but some times mindless fragging is what the doctor ordered.
* Dx on Dial-up is fun, but can be annoying. (Trust me, I spent 90% of my DX time on it with 400+ pings all the time. I'm on b/band and I still get 400pings.)
* Age means nothing if you are a jackarse.

Now, with that out of the way continue.

Hooray for peace!

We can't all blame GODZ for DXMP declining, now can we? Like the decline of Rome, there are multiple reasons, augs or zero augs, veterans or noobs, it all comes down to their attitude.

Like I say, if you're a veteran in the game, you should also be a veteran in attitude and wisdom

~Psychotic~ wrote:So, I'm a noob am I? I may be a newbie, but I'm no fucken noob. Now, me having Dial-Up and no money is a damn excuse, how do you BUY something with NO money. What, do you think I'm gunna steal it? Yeah fucking right!

And one more thing, no one started as a "noob," they started as a "newbie." A noob is someone who is a fucking annoying little prick and won't shut up about anything, they also like to talk in utter language that litterally no one understands or gives a damn rats ass about (not the language like "ur a n00b" but "urafuckennoobandimgunnakickurass" words, or using numbers for letters, meh)...

A newbie on the other hand, is someone who is NEW TO THE GAME. They want advice and people will give it to them if they're willing to learn and not be fucken annoying. That's what I was, that's what I am still. I was taught as a newbie and would be still taught but have no longer got a mentor, rofl.

Also, sorry for double posting... Warn me if I must be warned.

Do you think once you are accepted on [A] forum you have made it in dxmp?
Do you think players such as Papparoach/Oracle etc are dxmp gods?
Do you think servers such as GODZ/[A]Nobody server are what dxmp is about?

If you answered yes to the above, then you are a noob and thats the end of that.

If you still wanna argue, i dont. I give up with you cos my reasoning doesn't seem to be getting through.

Lazer wrote:

~Psychotic~ wrote:So, I'm a noob am I? I may be a newbie, but I'm no fucken noob. Now, me having Dial-Up and no money is a damn excuse, how do you BUY something with NO money. What, do you think I'm gunna steal it? Yeah fucking right!

And one more thing, no one started as a "noob," they started as a "newbie." A noob is someone who is a fucking annoying little prick and won't shut up about anything, they also like to talk in utter language that litterally no one understands or gives a damn rats ass about (not the language like "ur a n00b" but "urafuckennoobandimgunnakickurass" words, or using numbers for letters, meh)...

A newbie on the other hand, is someone who is NEW TO THE GAME. They want advice and people will give it to them if they're willing to learn and not be fucken annoying. That's what I was, that's what I am still. I was taught as a newbie and would be still taught but have no longer got a mentor, rofl.

Also, sorry for double posting... Warn me if I must be warned.

Do you think once you are accepted on [A] forum you have made it in dxmp?
Do you think players such as Papparoach/Oracle etc are dxmp gods?
Do you think servers such as GODZ/[A]Nobody server are what dxmp is about?

If you answered yes to the above, then you are a noob and thats the end of that.

If you still wanna argue, i dont. I give up with you cos my reasoning doesn't seem to be getting through.

If you want to get a point through, you must be willing to understand all sides of the arguement. Something no one here is willing to do it seems.

The lack of flexability in those who consider them self 'old skool' hurts DX more then any other factor, period.
(More then any modded server, haxing noob, and any badly run popular server.)

And besides, we all know [GODZ] forum is where it's at, lol.

XII//:Prod1gy wrote:DX Was uber back in '02, I was 8

Bloody hell, I was 16, (and playing DXMP so I don't fall into the imaginary 2003 onwards nooby group )

I was awesome and I properly started playing end 2003