NEW CLAN TO DEUS EX!

[EthicalHaxor]

I'm starting a new clan. The tag is [XTC] and if you want to join just post here or PM me. It's just starting out so theres not many members but we need you!! Wish me luck!

[Mr. Tastix]

Eh. More clans. Good luck I suppose.

I suppose it's a good thing people want to make clans but...

1. This is your first and ONLY post.
2. There are so many clans already. If you ask me, having so many clans can be confusing. How the hell are newcomers to know what one to try out for and how are you going to get members with loads of clans that end up having only a handful of members as all the rest of players are in other clans.

[James]

Yeah, stop making clans. Join another.

[synthetic]

2. There are so many clans already. If you ask me, having so many clans can be confusing. How the hell are newcomers to know what one to try out for and how are you going to get members with loads of clans that end up having only a handful of members as all the rest of players are in other clans.

Youve no fucking idea what youre talking about. This is dx.

[James]

Youve no fucking idea what youre talking about. This is dx.

What are you talking about?

[Mr. Tastix]

2. There are so many clans already. If you ask me, having so many clans can be confusing. How the hell are newcomers to know what one to try out for and how are you going to get members with loads of clans that end up having only a handful of members as all the rest of players are in other clans.

Youve no fucking idea what youre talking about. This is dx.

Yeah? Then go make your own clan. Go ahead. And see how many members you get. And, in the unlikely event that you succeed, I shall take back what I said.

But until then, you can't talk shit. I've created clans in other games. I know how hard it is from personal experience. My clans were never big but they had a good community feel to it. Sure, there wasn't members but when each and every member was active and good be relied on, it didn't matter.

You make a replica of the great Deus Ex Clans. I may not have been around at the start of DX when it was in it's prime, but I hear things. I read things. So learn before you open your mouth.

More clans DOES NOT mean a bigger Deus Ex. It means the same-sized Deus Ex all scattered all over the fucking place. At least with a handful of clans it's easier to organize training sessions, clan battles, etc. And it means people can be closer together.

[Alex]

2. There are so many clans already. If you ask me, having so many clans can be confusing. How the hell are newcomers to know what one to try out for and how are you going to get members with loads of clans that end up having only a handful of members as all the rest of players are in other clans.

Youve no fucking idea what youre talking about. This is dx.

Yeah? Then go make your own clan. Go ahead. And see how many members you get. And, in the unlikely event that you succeed, I shall take back what I said.

Lol.... Renegades... Ever heard of it?

[Dae]

Our community really lacks well organized clans with mature and inspired leadership and loyal members who wouldn't hop from one to another once per two months. Such clans should provide supportive environment for newcomers and be diplomatically friendly with everyone. It means that they should play any fighting gametype and they shouldn't accept morons, even if these morons are very good players.

Such behavior might be a key to the problem with the clanwars. Such clan would bring fun for its members, leaders and the community.

Alpha plays another role and I don't want to change it.

[Mr. Tastix]

Our community really lacks well organized clans with mature and inspired leadership and loyal members who wouldn't hop from one to another once per two months. Such clans should provide supportive environment for newcomers and be diplomatically friendly with everyone. It means that they should play any fighting gametype and they shouldn't accept morons, even if these morons are very good players.

See, I've made organized clans. I can run clans. Sure, it's not easy. But I believe that if you're going into the clan-running business then you should go in expecting that. Just like if were running a company.

I'd love to make a clan for Deus Ex, but I wouldn't. Not without a few things.

1. Support. Why make a clan when nobody wants you to?
2. At least two leaders. In this case, myself and one other. I've done it before and I'm still doing it (but with a website, not a clan). I feel it "splits the load" and can make things just that bit easier. Just watch who you co-lead a clan with. Someone you trust would obviously be a wise choice.
3. Advertising. I've always had a problem with advertising. Anything. Whether it be a website or a clan. I could never do it. Still can't do it. I'm struggling to advertise my websites at the moment because I just can't do it. This is perhaps the single most important reason why I wouldn't start one.
4. I wouldn't start one on Deus Ex anyway. Not only because I'd rather join one (and I never have, well once but that wasn't for long and I've never been in a clan of any other game) and because if I suck at the game why bother? I can encourage people to get better and give them moral support, but when it comes right down to it, I'd like to encourage by demonstration. I'd like to lead people by showing them what I can do and what they can do with practice. I suck at Deus Ex and pretty much any game. I'm working to improve that however, lol.

[Zantinzuken]

2. There are so many clans already. If you ask me, having so many clans can be confusing. How the hell are newcomers to know what one to try out for and how are you going to get members with loads of clans that end up having only a handful of members as all the rest of players are in other clans.

Youve no fucking idea what youre talking about. This is dx.

Yeah? Then go make your own clan. Go ahead. And see how many members you get. And, in the unlikely event that you succeed, I shall take back what I said.

Ahahahaha.

Totally shot yourself in the foot there sonny.

[Mr. Tastix]

2. There are so many clans already. If you ask me, having so many clans can be confusing. How the hell are newcomers to know what one to try out for and how are you going to get members with loads of clans that end up having only a handful of members as all the rest of players are in other clans.

Youve no fucking idea what youre talking about. This is dx.

Yeah? Then go make your own clan. Go ahead. And see how many members you get. And, in the unlikely event that you succeed, I shall take back what I said.

Ahahahaha.

Totally shot yourself in the foot there sonny.

Shutup... lol. Doesn't matter. I said MAKE a clan. Not show me one he already made. And because I doubt he'll shut down a clan to prove me wrong, which would be COMPLETELY FUCKING MENTAL AND IDIOTIC then my point still stands really.

Either way. I believe any game, not just Deus Ex, are being overrun by clans. Clans here, clans there. FUCKING CLANS EVERYWHERE. People don't stop. You see hundreds of the damn things and how many members are there? Like 5. And all of them are probably just casual friends who either hang out IRL or talk over MSN. That's not a fucking clan, how do you do a clan war with five people? Sure, there's 5-vs-5 but it seems rather tiny.

[Bear]

2. There are so many clans already. If you ask me, having so many clans can be confusing. How the hell are newcomers to know what one to try out for and how are you going to get members with loads of clans that end up having only a handful of members as all the rest of players are in other clans.

Youve no fucking idea what youre talking about. This is dx.

dx might die soon, he could make a clan in CSS, dx is nothing....

[Dex]

Deus Ex 4 Life!

[James]

@Psy, you're being a tiny bit too defensive.

[Mr. Tastix]

@Psy, you're being a tiny bit too defensive.

I suppose. But what reason do I have to be defensive? I'm just saying, good luck if he wants to keep trying but people have to go in thinking the worst.

Yeah, that may be pessimistic of me, but I grew up like that. It also means that if it fails then you expected it it so it can't be too bad (fucked up logic, I know).

Either way. Good luck. If it works, then great. I just don't think it will.

[Mastakilla]

FUCKING CLANS EVERYWHERE. People don't stop. You see hundreds of the damn things and how many members are there? Like 5. And all of them are probably just casual friends who either hang out IRL or talk over MSN. That's not a fucking clan

Why is that not a clan? That's a retarded point you're trying to make there. If someone wants to make a clan, invite their friends, and just play a game, what's wrong with that?

[Spiderbot01]

You gonna tell me The A Team wasnt a real clan either then Psy? The best clans are made by a bunch of mates wanting to piss around..

[Alex]

So... back ontopic. EthicalHaxor. I've been thinking about it for a few days, and I decided: You're banned. See top post for the reason.

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

Why is that not a clan? That's a retarded point you're trying to make there. If someone wants to make a clan, invite their friends, and just play a game, what's wrong with that?

new clans is all good.

but...

I think the guy should try to play the game, its a shooter with RPG elements.

I used to play D+D and Traveller, you have Social Standing and Charisma. You need a certain amount of Charisma or Social Standing, to be an officer of a starship for example, or to run a castle and have soldiers etc...

If you aint ever posted on Alpha > no-one aint heard of u lol > you aint got no charisma in the game > you aint got no chance of getting good players > you got a clan with serious issues from day 1. Game Over.

I support the idea of a new clan, but would prefer to see players becoming better players in existing clans, than seeing just more irritating spammers and spineless fightless noobs asking lots and lots of questions on busy servers and spamming for their empty servers.

A good clan needs at least some of these ingredients.

Modders/CodersWeb/IT pplMappers/DesignersSound Engineers/Musicians
Inspirational Fighters, Loyal and faithful fighters, fighters who are always online, money, servers, good admin skills, time, fresh ideas, clan warsetc

If you think have enough of that, then good luck, otherwise take their advice and join a clan... in one year's time you will be a much better player... and probably a much better leader.

It means that they should play any fighting gametype

we have this problem in clan war... REN would fight us in 0-aug but not in altfire or dxsg... they talk about a "skills gap" between our clan, this makes us laugh, we map, fight all gametypes and were willing to take a beating in their specialist field, but they declined to fight altfire or dxsg etc.

[Mr. Tastix]

You gonna tell me The A Team wasnt a real clan either then Psy? The best clans are made by a bunch of mates wanting to piss around..

Yeah but those clans still manage to have more than 5 members in the end. And tbh, I wouldn't join a clan with only five members that's expecting to only ever have five members.

Think about it, if you're in a clan war who do you think is going to play fair? Five people may seem like alot (or 10 in total) but it's not called a WAR for no reason. Just like in any online game, there's no such thing as honour. You go in with five members then expect the opposing force to go in with 2x as much as you. And if they don't fine, but always come prepared.

Anyone who believes in honour in games is a fucking moron. There's no honour. War is war. It ain't all fair in love and war. If it were, we wouldn't have war.

[Ian]

good luck with the clan even though u were just banned for no reason

[Alex]

good luck with the clan even though u were just banned for no reason

No reason? He has another account which was banned for a perfectly fine reason. Go look it up.

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

multi-accounting... tsk tsk multi-mapper, multi-accounter, what next?

multikill? come on...

[Psycho]

Well Mutli accounting, and he posted all over the forum about the advban loop hole.

[Ian]

good luck with the clan even though u were just banned for no reason

No reason? He has another account which was banned for a perfectly fine reason. Go look it up.

Ah he was banned already now i see wasnt clear on that but i thought you used that adv bann now to ban ppls ranges?bypass?

[Kaiden]

Probably banned his range now.

[synthetic]

dx might die soon, he could make a clan in CSS, dx is nothing....

If youve played a dead game for 4 years while being active part of active clans then you know how silly that sounds.

Yeah? Then go make your own clan. Go ahead. And see how many members you get. And, in the unlikely event that you succeed, I shall take back what I said.

If I am to make my clan, I would have many members. Another matter is whether or not I want to have many members, or how good they should be. Latter sets very clear restrictions.

Yeah? Then go make your own clan. Go ahead. And see how many members you get. And, in the unlikely event that you succeed, I shall take back what I said.

Lol.... Renegades... Ever heard of it?

Renegades wasnt made by me, sometimes people forget that. I made NEM with great dane, and before that I had my beginners clan with well built structure and serious players, even if we were still green. Ive also ended up leading or co leading some clans I only joined. My clans have usually had around 12 players which by dx terms means a large clan. I never felt the urge to get more, unless many of those 12 went inactive. Not really that important, but thought Id mention it.

If REN wasnt so damn awesome Id leave and make a new clan. I also fully agree with daedalus in his first reply.

[synthetic]

There are certain points people either dont consider, or they dont even think about the whole concept of having a clan in dxmp, or being part of one.

• A proper fighting clan is the clan you see in game, that essentially keeps the games going by filling servers and hosting servers, and thus keeping players entertained. Their existence supports other clans, their skill boosts the skill in game in general, depending on competition and regardless of whether players are tagged or tagless.

• Clans keep players active in game and introduce new levels of entertainment and mp value, allowing you to enjoy the joy of having team, having friends, not much different from what exists on the other side of the blue screen.

• Players stay in clans because of activity. Fighting clan plays games. If the clan cant play games as a clan, there is no point in being one. Ultimate clan experience being ladder matches or clan wars. Lesser examples being clan training matches, scrims.

• In DXMP you dont need more than 4 available members, even though 6 is also very good and still in match range. THe smaller and tighter the clan, the stronger it is.

• If there are few clans in dxmp, the existing ones become weaker, the members either start thinking about new clans or about quitting in general.

• To get rid of boredom players form new clans, and enjoy another few months of fun and wars. This is a sign of a struggling community, yet the alternative is that they go and play some other game.

• There is a difference between a clan and a group. A set of features make a clan into clan, and while being able to recognize oneself as a clan helps, it does not always mean its true.

[synthetic]

Go ahead and ban me then.

[[JTB]_DoubleD]

In regards to advertising, why not make maps that include DX Clans, info for their logos and forums.