DXMP SERVER LIST

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

I would liek to report I saw some funny things on Sunny Side, and I'm not talking about noobs with gep...

Crates when picked up and thrown don't necessarily land on the floor, they hang in mid-air... also they might "stick" to you as if they have glue...

Another player reported thatv LAMS don't seem to be disabled by EMP

Also ppl with assault rifles accused me of cheating with stealth pistol and pistol, I know I got better, but it's true I wasn't taking much damage... is that something to do with no MTL ?

[Cozmo]

That just sounds like lag.

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

A crate will sit there in mid-air for like the rest of the game... lag ? wow...

[synthetic]

It isnt physically sitting there, as in, it doesnt collide mid air does it. Actual crate is somewhere below if im not mistaken. Ive gotten that in mtl servers aswell. Especially if you put a lot of crates together. Damage wise.. non mtl is weird. Its more unstable.. yes you CAN easily cheat in non mtl. Make your weaps more powerful and shoot faster etc but youll know about it. Only option there is that your enemy cheated and changed their damage too low :P

edit: from my experience, not from my knowledge, mtl seems to force the lag into bay but also makes the ping higher or something. In MTL DM I can almost feel non mtl gameplay though, DM weapons and shooting all seems to be so much easier. Dunno if its just me.

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

thx... I just learned a lot...

OK I have an idea... needs refinement from you guys and Deja's orcs too...

something like this...

This is a proposal to DejaVu...

1. Auggers play on Augged servers in peace
2. 0-auggers play on non-aug servers in peace
3. DXAG and DXSG fans play in peace.
4. RPG City fans play in peace.
4. Deja's attacks stop.
5. Any attacks on Deja or Auggers stop.
6. If a new player exists/joins DX, 0-auggers and 0-aug admins and Auggers and Aug admins WORK TOGETHER to promote Augs as the higher level, the more exciting challenge, the more difficult advanced game.
7. Auggers refrain from spwnkilling and unnecessary/dishonourable killing of noobs and new players, making the Augged game a little more worth it.
8. Deja and followers also ENCOURAGE new players to take up augs by demonstrating that Aug players are LESS NOOB, by acting less noob.
9. Augs are promoted as a more skillful challenge, make it a challenge, not forced play...
10. All of us do what ever we can in our power, peacefully and respectfully to ensure Augs is as attractive to new players as 0-augs is.

Finally, we all play in peace and enjoy the variety on offer.

Basic and ATDM co-exist and there is no reason why the 0-aug and Augs can't...
This is a proposal to DejaVu...
1. Auggers play on Augged servers in peace
2. 0-auggers play on non-aug servers in peace
3. DXAG and DXSG fans play in peace.
4. Deja's attacks stop.
5. Any attacks on Deja or Auggers stop.
6. If a new player exists/joins DX, 0-auggers and 0-aug admins and Auggers and Aug admins WORK TOGETHER to promote Augs as the higher level, the more exciting challenge, the more difficult advanced game.
7. Auggers refrain from spwnkilling and unnecessary/dishonourable killing of noobs and new players, making the Augged game a little more worth it. 8. Deja and followers also ENCOURAGE new players to take up augs by demonstrating that Aug players are LESS NOOB, by acting less noob.
9. Augs are promoted as a more skillful challenge, make it a challenge, not forced play...
10. All of us do what ever we can in our power, peacefully and respectfully to ensure Augs is as attractive to new players as 0-augs is.

Finally, we all play in peace and enjoy the variety on offer. Basic and ATDM co-exist and there is no reason why the 0-aug and Augs can't... without new players being drawn ONLY into 0-augs...

after all, according to Deja, that is why he doing all this... not because he is a deluded, arrogant, selfish, sociopath who wants to show off his skills...

[Cozmo]

Actually, what Deja did before was much better. When he joined Shen, he converted most / the whole of Shen into decent auggers and actually explained how to play and we had fun etc...

But now he's being a prat.

[MrBlackDX]

At the end of the day, I have no dispute with Augged play or Auggers, and I would be more than happy to be trained up in it and maybe pass on the skills/knowledge etc

The whole reason of setting up the petition was not to prove one gametype over another, but simply to show that Dejavus actions of limiting the game is simply wrong and he needs to at least stop, better yet make up for it

I think the irony is that because he is restricting 0-aug, and 0-aug is effectively a much more basic and easier gametype to get into, you could class some of the weapon uses and DX fighting techniques involved in 0-aug a basic level of Augged play. And so he basically cutting out a stage of the learning curve.

Would Ste, Grim and whoever else who originally were 0-auggers have stayed on DXMP long if they joined an Augged server only to get constantly owned?

[Dae]

Just a quick question: does anyone know who owns MADZ Gamesmajor? Would be good that they install Nephthys there, because it seems that not only me can't join it.

[Imperial]

Just a quick question: does anyone know who owns MADZ Gamesmajor? Would be good that they install Nephthys there, because it seems that not only me can't join it.

whiplash does

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

Actually, what Deja did before was much better. When he joined Shen, he converted most / the whole of Shen into decent auggers and actually explained how to play and we had fun etc...

But now he's being a prat.

COZMO - I have always liked you, but you hit the nail on the head there.
Deja worries more about 0-aug ruining DX, than making Aug servers better.

shadowrunner, you have to understand, that in the past, when only aug servers were up, and newbies started to play, they didnt just leave the game cos their ass was owned.

there are 2 types of players in general: players that play the game without using their brain much, and players that like to play games where they HAVE to use brains. dxmp was originally for second type. producers make games for first type of players, as there are more of them as type 2. when 0aug was born, players of type 1 started joining dxmp and this is the condition we see now, a lot of players type 1, dont wanna play augs as they have to use their brains to get some kills. i figured this out why trying to bring some of my mates to the game. teaching them augs first, playing some days, then they found one 0aug server and most of them liked it more. why? they told me, its just to kill, nothing to think about. they wanted to play game where you dont have to think much. and now? not a single one of them plays dx anymore. (i got them all off cod/cod2 btw). if i was them, i would do the same, who cares about the game, that has nothing good, but lag, high ping and bugs? another thing ive noticed is that higher IQ player has, theres more chance he will like augs as of its complexity and challenge (another mate, that is very good at math and physics, still plays dxmp - but he doesnt play 0aug of course).

shadowrunner, there are hundreds of new players per month, trying out dxmp, MANY of them just check it out and after seeing 0aug or some fucking laggy rpgs server with 1000 ping, they never try dxmp anymore.

now you gonna ask me, why some players (current 0auggers) joined dxmp anyway? most of them - it was their first mp game. personally, i dont know any 0augger, that started with cs, turned to be one of the bests there, played Euro Cups then finished cs and went to dx to play 0aug. but if we talk about augs, then you have to think about following fact: elmerfudd TCNdk - adam (i forgot his other names) -> after he left ghost (dxmp) (augs of course) he started to play mohaa with ghost, then he choosed his own way in cod scene. i met him there when playing with top euro clans and shortly after that he played NC for UK and then become one of the best players in euro and played for best euro clans, also wining money for playing. if you dont believe me, go check www.clanbase.com (search for nickname Yekoms).

this is one case that is known to me. now how many of other ex- augged players had/have so briliant gaming future after ending dxmp? i think many more for whose i dont know. im sure there are some americans i never knew very well.

and for example, take a look at messiah. he has talent rarely anyone gets on this planet. he could become the best player in any game. dxmp (augs) is some sort of a gaming test. you can see if your over gaming talent is good or bad. if you can handle augs good, can keep the streak when playing against good players, then you can get very very good at any other game.

when 0aug evolved, dxmp turned into n00bfest. and with godz server even more. and most current players that are against me didnt start playing dxmp in year 2001 or 2002, they started in late years when 0aug/godz was the only gametype to play. no wonder they are against me, ive taken them away for what they started to play dxmp in the first place.

most auggers in the past left cos of disrupted players-harmony. its simple. every good non laggy server in 2001, 2002 contained good, average and bad (mostly new players). good were killing all, average were able to kill average and bad and here and there a good player, bad players were able to kill only bad players, and here and there average one. new players saw the glory of good ones, how could they handle 4 players going on one good and he would kill all 4 in just few seconds. new players wanted to have such power, so they trained (i was one of them). but when 0augs evolved, new players got easy job there, as they were able to kill more other players, and what happened on augged server is disrupted players-harmy - lack of one layer of players - bad ones and then even average. and this caused 2 things:
- overall lack of players in augging
- any bad (new) player joining augged server would get owned by good players as he would be almost the only bad one

now if you dont understand what im saying you are a fucking moron, cos its so simple. 0aug killed augs. thats a fact. and i didnt see any 0augger saying: aug is better to play. so theres no chance 0auggers would promote augs. shadowrunner, i dont know how old are you, but i doubt you are old enough to understand certain things and how human physiology works. if you did, you would know in forward that your proposal is impossible to ever works.

And this was my reply to him on FGS...

[quote]And you are old enough to realize that nothing in life is achieved without negotiation...by your methods, you may well be killing augs yourself...

I really aprreciate you taking the time to fill me in on the last five years and explain things, AND I agree totally that augs is a game which should not be killed off and I agree totally that servers which lag should be high up on the list while better servers lag etc...BUT... think harder about the case of my gf and e.g 2 million CS players in China who could easily be attracted to DX... An aug game is too intimidating...

Take FGS for example. I think most new players share my experience. When I started GODZ was populated and there were a bunch of empty servers playing smuggler. After letting my team down all day and getting 0.20 or 5.20, enough was enough and wanted to see FGS erver, where things were more chilled, no verbal abuse, maps I had never seen in my 5 years on SP... EVen if you can not agree with me, sooner or later you are gonna have to try harder to make better aug servers.

Consider this. In Tom Clancy MP games like Rainbow Six, you can not communicate with the enemy team. Spwnkilling is reserved to spwnkilling servers. It is impossible e.g. for Sike to call the enemy a noob, or the enemy to call Sike a noob in Xbox gaming. If I were a parent I'd rather my kid played Xbox than went on augged DX servers and received NOTHING but humiliation until they could actually kill someone. Why don't you have Aug training servers Deja, where the best auggers donate time to demonstrate the effects of skill/aug combinations etc? By just destroying other people's enterprises and not getting off your ass yourself to improve the aug game, you lose my support.

If you kill off FGS and custom map servers and only present ONE product to the gaming world. I guarantee you from my 38 years experience of life that you are making a fool of yourself in a very big way and shooting yourself in the foot. I agree the 10 commandments are imossible to put into practice, but they should exist and be observed, as IRL.To stop new players from checking in and checking out every month you have to:
1 offer a variety
2 Bring to the front, those elements of DX which won GOTY awards... which were:
A Free-Roaming
B Augs
C Non-Lethal play
etc
AND then show off the SDK and the best of the SDK usage such as DXSG, DXAG, present as many aug types as possible.

Do I need to tell you the rest, I don't think so...something for everyone. Your arguments are impressive, but by themselves they fall down... FGS is something that always stopped crushed noobs from running away from DX. I'm not a fucking moron, Deja, you know that, my IQ is higher than most and my brain is often off and away on tangents and intuitive, but these words of mine come from business experience and basic business which you auggers haven't learned. Quit verbal abuse in-game, offer more than product to stay alive and show new players what is exceptional about DX, medbots, repairbots etc...DXSG.

DEJA SAID"most auggers in the past left cos of disrupted players-harmony"


So why areedIT aug players as good as spaz and sike spwnkilling and cloaking and LAWing and plasma-ing people with no aug experience and then some of them calling it skill? It is good that you and I have discussed this. If you bring back FGS and leave us in peace, I guarantee you new players... now that I have learned something from you.

Perhaps you didn't realize, but I have often raised the issue with GODZ and DXMS that their style of 0-aug small action maps, remove much of what is great about DX in comparison to CS and Rainbow 6. I prefer to see something like Proteus, if it has to be small, it needs to have maximum interactivity, or Mantra maps or DXSG maps, stocks maps etc... DX without planting nades, turrets, bots, computers, actors, augs etc will die...

It is irrelevant to 0-augs... if you got your act together and made better aug servers you wouldn't need to attack 0-augs. 0-augs would die by itself...

[Cozmo]

Bloody hell, that is one big post.

[Dae]

Judging by his [dejavu's] post, it seems that his dream is become the best player in the world and earn money for this.

[Alex]

I say! We call in the help of Nochanc! The guy who has the power to do everything!

[Maloh]

i think if deja.."knew how human physiology worked" as he said,
hed relize what an obsessed lunatic hes being.......Ppl with VERY high intellects wouldnt even waste their time on dx,even Augs is a simple game in comparreson to even the oldest games such as Chess,or Go for example,its just an old video game ,if it was so amazing ppl would care about who was good at it ,but noone really does outside the handfull of ppl who still care in dx, at its peak dx was always a very small MP comunity,even being the BEST at it is a small challenge when u compare it to other games..just takes a good ping and a lil extra time to become a big fish in a small pond

[synthetic]

Actually, what Deja did before was much better. When he joined Shen, he converted most / the whole of Shen into decent auggers and actually explained how to play and we had fun etc... :)

But now he's being a prat.

Thats an example of right and wrong. That step dejavu took mightve not been very honest, as I believe he didnt exactly say: i want to join only to convert your very big and very active dxmp clan into auging clan, but the approach he took was about the best reasonable approach he couldve taken. I tried similar thing but with little success due to lack of time back then.

And then he went on to bully players >: (

Secondly I dont think shadows proposal would have many followers. Certain 0augers are very stubborn and refuse, simply refuse to play or even learn augs. In my opinion 0augs is the modded gametype (mutator) that finally started to dominate dxmp. I only wish DXAG wouldve had similar effect. It could've. So because they refuse, there wont be much success there. DejaVu actually accomplished this goal by shutting down other servers. 0augers learned a bit of atdm. I see his success here despite the obviously idiotic view on dxmp he has (atdm for beginners for example: he doesnt know the difference between english words basic and advanced). So in a strange way I appreciate the effect he had on dxmp, but make no mistake, my clanmate lost real money due to his doings and dxmp lost considerable amount of players. In such a small community any number is considerable.

[synthetic]

This is intentional doublepost.

Perhaps its obvious, perhaps its unnecessary, but Id like to post my opinion on dxmp here in this thread as it seems to fit in a bit.

I believe dxmp is and always was about augs, but most games have mods, and stable players that play those mods. It is relatively easy: beginners go to
B-DM/TDM servers, have fun running around with gep until they understand why their rockets explode in their faces. Even experienced augers can have quite a lot of fun here, people say 0augs with its slow (id say 'slower') pace is rather enjoyable way to relax. I would disargee about the relaxing part but here id simply bring out that BTDM with max skills and all augs is possibly the most relaxing option. You are in no immediate danger from geps or plasma or rifles and are from gameplay point of view view equal with about any streaked player on the server (like in 0augs).
So this is educational dxmp, chilling dxmp : )
(by default DENIED by dejavu, so he is not saving AUGS, but one single gametype with DM/TDM variation)

A- DM/TDM: mean and fast paced ego-boosting gameplay based on edge you have over others after gaining a streak. Obviously more challenging, and due to the edge mostly more fun. This is where your true skill is tested. After some maps of constant button-abuse you might long for an unbiased BTDM game or merely for some fresh air. Advanced is for advanced players like the name says, our buddy dejavu would make this the single gametype of dxmp, with the exception of NON-auged warping gametype of Bowen's, which he has allowed merely because the bully chooses to like it.
By default it is NATURAL that players go from BTDM to ATDM as they improve. Something dejavu is too stupid to see. The process is partly due to the nagging atdm players would give to btdm players, a bit similarly to augers-vs 0augers nagging, where unfortunately two different games clash as 0augers no longer identify themselves with the original dxmp and augers do not value the quite different modded gametype addition.

C-TDM/DM: lot of weird stuff possible here, some like it, others dont, in REAL 0auged game (does NOT have weapons/other objects removed) it might seem a bit odd to fight in a slow paced game (compare it to quake) with a big GEP gun that makes you.. even more slower. HOWEVER pre-MTL sniper nicely balances that gametype (1 shot per second with sniper, who wants it?;)). It is actually interesting because although skill settings here make less difference if you merely upgrade lockpick and go for your shells or law that are quite capable weapons without any skill upgrades the edge can still make some difference.

MODS: yeah, all games have mods, modded 0augs or _standard 0auged gametype_ as we know it (all skills no heavies or related stuff) proved for some reason to be the dominating gametype, so I believe this is an example how a mod took over the game. Or perhaps its just because we are lazy.
0augs: I personally think this is very darn mean gametype. If you have forgotten how mean 0augs actually is then go for a full smuggler deathmatch with clixor. Comparing it to CS or any similar game would be narrow-minded and quite honestly stupid. That for various reasons. Same goes to comparing it to augs. 0augs is a strange game type that keeps you alive a lot longer than CS but for far less time than augs (no protective augmentations). All that depends of course.
What I find to be sad here is how people only limit themselves to the mod, for one or another reason. People who compare augmentations to cheats are simply horrible as they clearly have no idea of what dxmp is. Many dxmp players actually havent played, or played very far in dxsp.

There are other mods in dxmp and certain players dominate certain mods for certain reasons.
All I can say for the conclusion is how much I appreciated the DXAG approach that clearly combined Deus Ex with team play aspect that usually is most neglected and that especially in s0augs. So I sort of know how people feel when they discuss various ideas for good dxmp gametype on PDX forums. At least I believe so. I also believe ATDM has what an online shooter should have where as many who dislike it and prefer AG or RPG are clearly more MMORPG oriented, or simply prefer DX as RPG.

I hope this made some sense, and even though it mightve easily been most unnecessary I felt good by forming some thoughts on this much debated augs vs 0augs topic. =)

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

So basically Deja is just tailoring DX for bored elite players? I agree, it seems the last thing that is going to entice new players to stick around...

[synthetic]

It is almost funny how he completely disregarded BTDM and made a beginner-only ATDM server he used to guard some months ago. It didnt gain much popularity, after he crashed GODZ it got few days of activity and thats about as far as it went.
So.. yes he is sending beginners against atdm augers with over 5 years of experience in some cases.
I have no doubt he believes he is saving the game and actually wants to accomplish that, but his stupidity knows no limits. Ethics? Who cares about ethics when you can suck up on the "elite" of atdm. Djezo needs attention mixed with good intentions and complete lack of ethics which effectively zeros all good in previously mentioned intentions.

[Avenger]

Dejavu is a nazi german

we have to go american on his..any one with me ?

[[Om]Angelus]

Im with ya m8.

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

I just wish he'd realize the argument is bigger than Aug v 0-Aug...

e.g. some people think the best of DX is non-lethal play, not killing...others think it was the free-roaming cities etc...personally I like the hookers...

[DAEM0N]

Man what happened guys? I go in to play DX for the first time in months, and there are like 5 servers, Deja is killing the game!

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

people have tried to explain to him already, new players are not going to stick around:

1. Wondering why they cant kill anyone on ATDM
2. Wondering why they can't connect to Cathedral
3. Wondering why everyone tk's and sk's etc...

Deja probably did DX a favour by attacking GODZ, there was more choice, a golden age of DXSG, DXAG, augs, 0-augs, Euro and US.... now there is only ATDM it really sucks... new players don't have much chance...

Also there is no training or demonstration or nothing to compensate for the imbalance of 5yr auggers pwning atdm-virgins...

Wake up Deja... instead of complaining about 0-augs and other people's servers, why dont you get off your arse and produce something that is for EVERYBODY... and will KEEP new players...

[Ste]

Uhm this is for Mr Black, uhm you said i came from non augs to be an augger? I started dx in 00-01 and was in the CYD clan, I started as a hardcore augger 56k stylee i then started playing non augs and found it fun because it was less skilled and played better than in augs.
Then i wanted a challenge as got to being one of the best players so i started augging again and now here i am.

The thing, the big difference from then and now is that now people have all the required info to jump into a augged game and get good. back then it wasnt like that at all.#

I wasnt a non augger to start

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

well I'm glad that a few 5 year Elite Auggers are happy...

...now what about the remaining majority...

[clyzm]

I think Deja's plan is to make auggers feel good about themselves, now the majority of noobs that want to play augs will get owned by veterans and the vets will have like a 42-0 streak.

[[FGS]ShadowRunner]

[J]Katamari got 64.1 yesterday on Ste's, but it was a pleasure dying...

I guess we shouldn't just say "auggers" there are good players and bad players in every camp...But it does make me mad that some auggers are just making themselves feel good and some mappers are taking advantage of the situation.

because it is one big lie, Deja is not retaining new players, he's actually removing them from the game...

[clyzm]

I wish he still had the brain - or the father - to reason with that.

[DAEM0N]

I agree, I was surprised to find a player in the game who had started 3 months ago, I thought newcomers were all but extinct.

[[Om]Angelus]

No, actually, i have seen many new players around. It is a shame they have to come when DeJa is on a rampage.