Unveiling Alpha’s secrets — confessions, only truth

[Alex]

I still don't fully understand why you won't release the code.

Nor do you want to know the reason, as it would only start flamewars

[Mr. Tastix]

I still don't fully understand why you won't release the code.

Nor do you want to know the reason, as it would only start flamewars

Damn, way to get my hopes up!

[~SaSQuAtCH~]

What I don't understand is what's the point in keeping the sourcecode of a DX mod when you don't even play the game, nor do you take part in any related projects anymore.

[Alex]

What I don't understand is what's the point in keeping the sourcecode of a DX mod when you don't even play the game, nor do you take part in any related projects anymore.

Let's put it like this. I spent time to create the modifications. When I created the modifications, I was active as a freelancer. Currently, when people come to me to code them things or whatever, I ask them money. Yes, actual money. May sound weird or such, but that's just the way it is. If you want my source code, you'll have to pay for it. I currently charge €55 per hour, when freelancing. When it comes to DX source code, I'll calculate €25 per hour I spent to create it. Sounds fair to me.

So, if anyone wants the source of a modification of mine, draw your wallet.

[~DJ~]

I dun wan source code.. I need to host it.. so dx still have a server like Cath. Terra..

And what do you mean by per hour?...

[Alex]

I dun wan source code.. I need to host it.. so dx still have a server like Cath. Terra..

And what do you mean by per hour?...

Say I spent 5 hours making a DX modification. If you want the sourcecode, you'd have to pay 5 hours times €25 = €125 in total.

[James]

How much would you charge ME?

[Siva]

£500,000 US Deutschmarks

[clyzm]

but m8 wat if cannot "acquire euro money" but has capitalist american $$$ ?

[Mr. Tastix]

I can understand Alex charging for his work. You wouldn't see a professional programmer (not saying that you aren't, Alex) go out and give his work for free. Some might, most wouldn't. And computer programmers can get quite a nice junk of money.

My Auntie can afford to take 6 months leave to go travelling around the world. To some, this may not sound like much, to a person who has had a lot of second grade crap in his life, it sounds like motherfucking heaven.

[James]

No one can argue about this to Alex anyway even if he knows it is greedy, it's creator's rights. And money is good.

[Mr. Tastix]

No one can argue about this to Alex anyway even if he knows it is greedy, it's creator's rights. And money is good.

Yeah, exactly. I'd love for someone to try and take someone to court over this, just so I can laugh at them losing because of the other person owning the copyrights and IP of the damn thing. I don't agree it's greedy though.

I believe in open source as much as the next person but I also think developers, designers and artists alike deserve to be credited in some form for their work.

I'll be releasing all my website layouts for free under the Creative Commons License at some point and if anyone wants the copyright removed they'll have to pay a small fee.

Personally, as stated before, I find it acceptable to do so. If you try to argue it with the developer/designer/artist then you'll be fighting a losing battle.

[James]

Yeah it actually isn't greedy at all, it's his trade.

[~SaSQuAtCH~]

I'm not sure that anything DX related is worth that amount of money, except maybe for servers.

[James]

I'm not sure that anything DX related is worth that amount of money, except maybe for servers.

His trade is worth that money lol

[Mastakilla]

Alex is a smart sexy babe, but you do realize you're not actually gonna get anyone to buy DX code from you, right?
So maybe if you realize that you're not gonna make any money from it, you may aswell release the source and let people use it/finish it, so your work wasn't for nothing.

Not that I actually give a damn but that's just what I think
<3

[Mr. Tastix]

Alex is a smart sexy babe, but you do realize you're not actually gonna get anyone to buy DX code from you, right?
So maybe if you realize that you're not gonna make any money from it, you may aswell release the source and let people use it/finish it, so your work wasn't for nothing.

Not that I actually give a damn but that's just what I think
<3

He probably knows this, I think (personally, can't say if it's true or not) that he's not releasing the code without payment because of the principle of the thing.

It cost him time and effort to create the code, if someone wants it so badly they can pay him for it. That's a fair trade. If nobody buys it then it doesn't matter because at least it was used, even if only for a short time.

[Alex]

Alex is a smart sexy babe, but you do realize you're not actually gonna get anyone to buy DX code from you, right?
So maybe if you realize that you're not gonna make any money from it, you may aswell release the source and let people use it/finish it, so your work wasn't for nothing.

Not that I actually give a damn but that's just what I think
<3

I never intended to make money with it, I actually just want people to shut up about it. But yeah, if anyone is willing to pay for it, I'll keep to what I said, and I will sell the source. Not of all modifcations, of course, only a selected range.

[Mr. Tastix]

Alex is a smart sexy babe, but you do realize you're not actually gonna get anyone to buy DX code from you, right?
So maybe if you realize that you're not gonna make any money from it, you may aswell release the source and let people use it/finish it, so your work wasn't for nothing.

Not that I actually give a damn but that's just what I think
<3

I never intended to make money with it, I actually just want people to shut up about it. But yeah, if anyone is willing to pay for it, I'll keep to what I said, and I will sell the source. Not of all modifcations, of course, only a selected range.

Can I get a list of what mods and how much you're willing to sell them for please?

[Alex]

Alex is a smart sexy babe, but you do realize you're not actually gonna get anyone to buy DX code from you, right?
So maybe if you realize that you're not gonna make any money from it, you may aswell release the source and let people use it/finish it, so your work wasn't for nothing.

Not that I actually give a damn but that's just what I think
<3

I never intended to make money with it, I actually just want people to shut up about it. But yeah, if anyone is willing to pay for it, I'll keep to what I said, and I will sell the source. Not of all modifcations, of course, only a selected range.

Can I get a list of what mods and how much you're willing to sell them for please?

Nope. Would take me a lot of time, and time = money. If you can think of something I made, you are free to ask for a price indication.

[Mr. Tastix]

Alex is a smart sexy babe, but you do realize you're not actually gonna get anyone to buy DX code from you, right?
So maybe if you realize that you're not gonna make any money from it, you may aswell release the source and let people use it/finish it, so your work wasn't for nothing.

Not that I actually give a damn but that's just what I think
<3

I never intended to make money with it, I actually just want people to shut up about it. But yeah, if anyone is willing to pay for it, I'll keep to what I said, and I will sell the source. Not of all modifcations, of course, only a selected range.

Can I get a list of what mods and how much you're willing to sell them for please?

Nope. Would take me a lot of time, and time = money. If you can think of something I made, you are free to ask for a price indication.

Okay then, let's do one I do know of and that's been asked of you before.

You contribution of TestZone.

[Kaiden]

That was quite a lot of things, Test Zone was anything that could be potentially used in Funline.

I'd say the team mod, the one on Cath Terra that let anyone make a custom team with a command and people could join it, it'd act like a stand alone team and you could use teamsay too

[Mr. Tastix]

That was quite a lot of things, Test Zone was anything that could be potentially used in Funline.

I'd say the team mod, the one on Cath Terra that let anyone make a custom team with a command and people could join it, it'd act like a stand alone team and you could use teamsay too

Yeah, that owned. I'm just using it as a generalization here because I don't keep to scratch with every single mod made for any community. I'd be reading for days if I did.

I'm asking for the price out of sheer curiosity, not because I'd buy it. It's a possibility, but then, so is the world exploding tomorrow.

[Aidan]

Dae. If you were to contribute furthermore to Deus Ex (e.g. mods and such). What would have been the next risk you were willing to take?

[Dae]

The main risk is that the community keeps diminishing while still being traditionally diversified. Due to intense conservatism and sometimes arrogance, different groups don't want to unite at any cost, or at least enter into "healthy" competition. This leads to insensibility to vital changes, that have to be taken for further growth and development.

E.g.: we were doing things for the community. Other people, who can't/didn't want to do as much, called us a monopoly and instead of competing, took down our servers.

[Mr. Tastix]

Other people, who can't/didn't want to do as much, called us a monopoly and instead of competing, took down our servers.

YEAH MAN. YOU'RE A FUCKING MONOPOLY AND ALL INVOLVED DESERVED TO BE JAILED. FUCK YOU. /sarcasm

I tried to learn mapping and got bored so I tried to make a website (since this is one of the things I do best) and failed that too due to this one being far more popular.

So I now do what I do even better than web design: Sit here and critisize people to make my e-peen grow. Not really, I do it because I do it in real life because I am an opinion bastard.

[Alex]

Other people, who can't/didn't want to do as much, called us a monopoly and instead of competing, took down our servers.

YEAH MAN. YOU'RE A FUCKING MONOPOLY AND ALL INVOLVED DESERVED TO BE JAILED. FUCK YOU. /sarcasm

Maybe it would surprise you, but people actually did state the above. Even members of respected clans (EL, for example).

[Mr. Tastix]

Other people, who can't/didn't want to do as much, called us a monopoly and instead of competing, took down our servers.

YEAH MAN. YOU'RE A FUCKING MONOPOLY AND ALL INVOLVED DESERVED TO BE JAILED. FUCK YOU. /sarcasm

Maybe it would surprise you, but people actually did state the above. Even members of respected clans (EL, for example).

Oh believe me, I know. I was being a smart ass, I don't do anything to help the Deus Ex community so I was being sarcastic in saying I think Alpha is a monopoly.

[Alex]

Other people, who can't/didn't want to do as much, called us a monopoly and instead of competing, took down our servers.

YEAH MAN. YOU'RE A FUCKING MONOPOLY AND ALL INVOLVED DESERVED TO BE JAILED. FUCK YOU. /sarcasm

Maybe it would surprise you, but people actually did state the above. Even members of respected clans (EL, for example).

Oh believe me, I know. I was being a smart ass, I don't do anything to help the Deus Ex community so I was being sarcastic in saying I think Alpha is a monopoly.

I know, but maybe you weren't entirely convinced yet But I know you were being sarcastic... I saw the sarcasm tag

[Mr. Tastix]

I don't see how people can call Alpha, or any other site for that matter, a "monopoly." What the hell have you gained from the creation of Alpha? A big group, supporters to your cause and popularity?

You never forced Alpha onto servers and you never forced people to give up their servers or their money for Alpha (besides, how would you?). People who want to claim monopoly on a non-profitable "organization" (for lack of a better term) are just jealous and need to be put in their goddamn place.