iPad

[James]

Fuck off Apple you're the worst hardware company ever stop making people fool for your attractive sleekness.

[Survive.]

It's the worst thing so far as shown:

http://i.gizmodo.com/5458382/8-things-t ... t-the-ipad

[Tantalus]

Sooooo damned unnecessary!

No word processing, no flash, no widescreen, no camera. So it's not even a netbook or a mobile computer. It's an iPod that's an inconvenient size. It's a computer with no functionality. It's a turd.

There's no market for it, but what are the bets it'll still sell like hotcakes anyway?

[~SaSQuAtCH~]

what a crap

[clyzm]

As an artist, fuck apple

[Alex]

[Dae]

Every time Apple introduces something new, I hear tons of comments explaining how much will this new device suck. Eventually it turns out that Apple actually explored some new segment, a lot of people start using that device, competitors start copying their solutions (from case design to interface concepts of the software) and Apple, of course, gets enormous profits.

http://www.imagocentre.com/images/54/fuck_off_104.jpg

No headphone jack? That's a lie, read:
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs

It would be so silly to expect a Desktop OS on it, and it is exactly the reason why HP Slate will never reach the sales of iPad.

No Flash support? Today Adobe announced that they will bring Flash to it, lie again.

As for phone calls, it will have 3G, microphone, speakers — someone will easily write a phone app for it. (The question is, why would you want a phone on such device?)

I wouldn't say you would miss multitasking too much on such device either. To a certain extent you can do multitasking on iPod Touch/iPhone too: i.e. browse web and listen to music.

[James]

It's as if I made that image. It's as if other phones are not better than what any edition of the iPhone ever did and it's as if the first generation iPad will be better than existing tablets.

Everyone knows this is going to sell regardless of its features most likely being lesser than competitors as with all Apple products these days, it's a common fact that people solely buy Apple as a brand name rather than a service. I assure you, they will not care about any other product as long as one has the that lovely white apple and the i prefix.

[Dae]

I assure you, they will not care about any other product as long as one has the that lovely white apple and the i prefix.

You want to think so.

[James]

I know because I don't see Apple widely used anywhere (other than iPhone and iPods) except places that attractive their target audience of 16-28 who at least own at 2 apple products. Such people are found with each 1/4 people in a coffee shop in England commonly with an iPhone and Macbook present with them.

I wish this was mere exaggeration and baseless jesting.

[Spiderbot01]

and I quote from a friend on facebook:

really wants an iPad even though I can in no way justify the need for one.

[James]

Time to break dance in a black silhouette to decent catchy chart music while the background diversifies in different colours.

[Dae]

I know because I don't see Apple widely used anywhere (other than iPhone and iPods) except places that attractive their target audience of 16-28 who at least own at 2 apple products. Such people are found with each 1/4 in a coffee shop in England commonly with an iPhone and Macbook present with them.

I know such people too, but they still don't buy it only for the brand and white Apple on the case.

I as well know many specialists who choose Mac for their professional work though.

[James]

What journalists and sponsorship deals for journalists? I don't remember specialists or professionals worth mentioning in mainstream media using a Mac for their work, I mean Avatar?

[Dae]

For example, http://www.maxon.net/en/customer-storie ... mpass.html

more here
http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles

+ most Russian photographers I know use Macs. All of the foreign photographers who come to St Petersburg and take photo equipment on lease from dad's studio, use Macs as well.

Facebook and Twitter have been made on Macs.

[James]

So in recent years professionals have made a bear, made a song with T-Pain, made the massive buggy PoS that breaks on all browsers daily (Facebook) and photographers have stored their photos on Macs.

I'm sold.

[Dae]

You're either trolling or playing an idiot.

[James]

I'm doing only the latter as my avatar is the tarot card "The Fool"

No I'm not trolling I am being very serious, Apple is capable of doing a lot but the fact is despite its mainstream success it isn't used that much other than home or personal use. That is something you need to grasp even if it's an over simplified bastardisation.

It's like writing in white pen rather than black and blue.

[Dae]

it isn't used that much other than home or personal use

Then why does Adobe want to rewrite millions of lines of code:

At the WWDC show last June, however, Adobe & other developers learned that Apple had decided to stop their Carbon 64 efforts. This means that 64-bit Mac apps need to be written to use Cocoa (as Lightroom is) instead of Carbon. This means that we'll need to rewrite large parts of Photoshop and its plug-ins (potentially affecting over a million lines of code) to move it from Carbon to Cocoa.

Why do they port most of other professional applications to Mac?

Why does Apple still produce Final Cut Studio, Logic Studio, Aperture?

Oh by the way,

According to a 2007 SCRI study, Final Cut made up 49% of the US professional editing market, with Avid at 22%

(Final Cut is being developed by Apple and is a Mac exclusive).

Why does Maxon port their 3D software onto Mac?

Why does Mathworks port their MATLAB onto Mac?

You know, porting is a very labour-intensive task and takes millions of investments for the software developers. Are they doing it all to please home users?

Upd: oh, looks like even Claudio Sanchez of Coheed & Cambria is using a Mac. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 290677438# (see 0:55)

[-TheSpecialist-]

I was actually pretty disappointed with what they showed. Some of the mock ups looked way better which says alot.

The Microsoft Courier which was leaked back in September is something to look at.

They are trying to justify not entering the netbook market by creating something that isn't exactly groundbreaking. And by creating something "you never knew you needed." LOL

Oh and the flash support isn't definite, at least in an Apple confirmation one.

[James]

Or is it Final Cut wasn't used to make any successful movies on that portfolio page except Corpse Bride which is arguably one of Tim Burton's worst movies?

Or is Final Cut used primarily for lower budget productions, yes yes it is.

And while I cannot be bothered to answer the rest of your tangent why are you insisting I'm bothered about Mac software?, I have no issues with it just the hardware and how you're paying for style and brand. Think about the subject at hand before you deviate and make yourself look like a tool by mentioning software that is available on Windows and will be on Mac. Is this supposed to be a Pro-Apple comment!?

owned again f00ls......................................

[Mr. Tastix]

It's a load of shit, I could buy a proper Netbook for cheaper, why bother with this hunk of shit? Apple can barely make operating systems, they should shoot themselves now, saves me a lot of trouble.

[clyzm]

Maxon ports their 3D software into Mac the same reason Call of Duty 4 was made on a Mac - Windows is the industry standard. These software developers have to rewrite their programs and games just because there is an ignorant brand of customers out there that will not settle for anything less than the Apple logo, so they are wise in the ways of economics and give up resources - not as much as you claim - to make a port of their software for Mac.

You cannot possibly say the iPad will beat the functionality of the original (and thousands) of tablets out there - such as the popular Bamboo.

James has a point here, and you should really listen to him. Apple is turning more and more into a fashion trend than an actual respectable computer company - but Windows will forever remain the industry standard. You will see more and more "____ for Mac" than you will see "_____ for Windows".

As for your argument based on "well, all the industries are using mac," you are mistaken. My own workplace - that deals with complex 3D models and architectural CAD - switched from Macs to PCs due to the high cost. This is economics here, and hardware benefits. A $2,500 Mac with 2GB RAM and a Core 2 Duo will not provide efficient work data than a cheaper $850 8GB Phenom II with Windows installed.

[Dae]

You cannot possibly say the iPad will beat the functionality of the original (and thousands) of tablets out there - such as the popular Bamboo.

iPad and Bamboo are totally different devices, lol.

all the industries

never said that

A $2,500 Mac with 2GB RAM and a Core 2 Duo will not provide efficient work data than a cheaper $850 8GB Phenom II with Windows installed.

what are you talking about!? for $2400 you can have a Mac Pro running quadcore Nehalem based Xeon @ 2.66 Ghz

As for your argument based on "well, all the industries are using mac," you are mistaken. My own workplace

I don't see your logic.

And Macs are generally overpriced, I would never argue that.

[clyzm]

iPad and Bamboo are totally different devices, lol.

>tablet
I know what you're getting at but they're in the same device function market. One has more features than the other.

never said that

Oh by the way,

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what are you talking about!? for $2400 you can have a Mac Pro running quadcore Nehalem based Xeon @ 2.66 Ghz

http://www.amazon.com/APPLE-iMAC-All-on ... B001C4CRYA

I don't see your logic.

I don't see yours. The survey you listed operated in micro terms - out of the 500,000 or so industries in America, and countless small businesses, the survey conducted research on a small few. I retaliated with giving you a micro example to refute your logic - my own personal workplace.

If you'd like, I could list you several professional motion graphic studios and industries who don't use Mac, or any Apple software.

[Dae]

Apple can barely make operating systems

What?!

>tablet
I know what you're getting at but they're in the same device function market. One has more features than the other.

Bamboo is an input tool for computers, like a mouse
iPad is a handheld PC for those who don't want a laptop

Same device function market? 0_o

If you'd like, I could list you several professional motion graphic studios and industries who don't use Mac. Though I think you and I both know it would be pointless.

Of course.

I repeat:
I'm not saying every single professional in the whole fucking universe is using a Mac.

I'm not saying Mac is the only way to get professional work done.

Chill. I like Windows, I like PCs and I do think Apple goes over the top with some of its prices.

My point is: professionals do use Macs. That's all I'm talking about. That is exactly what Jay is refuting.

http://www.amazon.com/APPLE-iMAC-All-one-Built/dp/B001C4CRYA

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/6 ... puter.html

Although I don't think it's fair to compare a PC without a monitor with an all-in-one. (It would have only been fair if Apple didn't offer a choice such as Mac Pro).

mentioning software that is available on Windows and will be on Mac. Is this supposed to be a Pro-Apple comment!?

You don't read, do you?

You know, porting is a very labour-intensive task and takes millions of investments for the software developers. Are they doing it all to please home users?

[Spiderbot01]

The thing I dont get is, it's too big to use on the go. I'm not getting that out on the train to watch a movie, or read a document. It's too big to use for on the go browsing, something the iPhone would be ideal for.

It's not something that I can just whack on a desk and whack out an essay on (it doesn't even have handwriting?) If I cant use it on the go, I'd use it at home. But why would I use it at home if I had a desktop/laptop/netbook?

There is no logical functionality of it, where it is better than another (even another apple brand) product.

So what on earth is it for?

[clyzm]

Bamboo is an input tool for computers, like a mouse
iPad is a handheld PC for those who don't want a laptop

Bamboo is a graphic design tablet, the bare essential (core idea) of the entire concept behind the tablet. iPad is a large tablet with a touch screen, and features of a small PC. iPad has drawing capabilities similar to Bamboo.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/657776-REG/Apple_Z0GF_0002_27_iMac_Desktop_Computer.html

>$2,199

http://www.newegg.com/Product/NewProduc ... 6883147088

Same specs, half the price. Add $349 for a 27" monitor. That leaves about $500 or so that Apple leaves unaccounted for. What's put into that pile of junk that is worth an extra $500?

[Siva]

No matter how anyone slices it, for what it is it's ridiculously overpriced.

[Mr. Tastix]

What?!

It's a case of "anything you can do, I can do better". I've been told the Mac was useful for design purposes due to multi-tasking being made much easier. It's not.

But you use what you're used to.