nVidia Fermi vs. ATi Radeon HD 5xxx

[DxPlayer]

So what you're saying is, the 5970 (two cards in crossfire) can render scenes utilizing more power than the gtx 480 (one card) while simultaneously using less energy? Do you realize the gross inaccuracy of this statement? If it uses less energy, where does the energy of the power consumed by the 480 go? Vacuum of space?

I can admit the 470/480 consumes more power and generates more heat than it should, this is true, but it doesn't mean it performs poorly compared to 5xxx series. Nvidia will probably come up with a different GPU cooler design or release a 485 or something anyways.

It consumes more than a 5970 and has inferior performance. Fermi release was late and in this time I'm pretty sure something could be done about the energy consumption.

... yes, because Nvidia wants you to buy Nvidia products and not ATI products. That's totally ridiculous! You're totally right! Oh wait no, you're completely wrong, it's called marketing.

I remember two years ago Crysis players saying that Crysis runs better on Nvidia's, also, when u enter the game the company's logo appers on the screen. I don't know if u remember but Nvidia's marketing used Crysis a lot to announce their "new" 8xxx series.

. It seems to me all you did was use Windows to browse through the driver folders and find an arbitrary part that has nothing to do with the BSODs you are receiving.

This could be true if the name of the driver (nv4_disp.dll) didn't apper on the BSODs I got...
Also, if you refuse to believe me try this: http://en.lmgtfy.com/?q=nv4_disp.dll+blue+screen

[Mastakilla]

Nvidia is awesome.
I don't care about the performance, bottom line is that it works.
I'm sure ATI works just as well (Maybe even better to some tiny extend)
but I still prefer Nvidia because I trust it as a product.
And no, there's no reason to distrust ATI but still, I see no reason to change LOL

edit:
Just realized how all the "Nvidia vs ATI" and "xbox 360 vs ps3" stuff is alot like sporting supporters, everyone has their favourite team and will try to find arguments to support as to why their team is the better one. Boasting about prizes and performances, lol. Everyone has their favourite, stick with it and stop debating, it's pointless...

<3

[clyzm]

I remember two years ago Crysis players saying that Crysis runs better on Nvidia's, also, when u enter the game the company's logo appers on the screen. I don't know if u remember but Nvidia's marketing used Crysis a lot to announce their "new" 8xxx series.

Do you realize what I just said? It's called marketing, and it doesn't reflect the actual performance trends of video cards. Why else would a 4870 get better framerates in Crysis on high than a GTX 285, an obviously superior card? ATI architecture is suited for Crysis.

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. You just repeat the same stuff over and over again which is in direct violation of the basic principles of discussion and argument, and your stubbornness rivals that of a donkey. Good day to you sir. If you continue to contribute nothing more to the topic other than the same case presented over and over again, I will warn you for spamming.

It's one thing to argue but to repeat the same thing even after an agreement has been reached in the topic... is beyond childish.

[~[ß]Lost~]

Clyzm, stop with the silly Nvidia fanboy'ism. ATI won this round with better performance for the money.

Also there's no way a HD 4870 would outperform a GTX 285 in Crysis. Look at this benchmark for example, you can clearly see that GTX 285 beats HD 4870x2 let alone a single 4870...



The next videocard I'll be buying is gonna be ATI HD 5850 because of it's great price and performance.

[clyzm]

Clyzm, stop with the silly Nvidia fanboy'ism. ATI won this round with better performance for the money.

Also there's no way a HD 4870 would outperform a GTX 285 in Crysis. Look at this benchmark for example, you can clearly see that GTX 285 beats HD 4870x2 let alone a single 4870...



The next videocard I'll be buying is gonna be ATI HD 5850 because of it's great price and performance.

There's no trace of fanboyism in my posts. I know ATI makes great cards but its one thing to say that, and another to slam nVidia for making otherwise-great cards. Despite what DxPlayer/ATI propaganda has you believing, the GTX 470 and 480 are great prices for fantastic gaming cards, and with a properly cooled case and a good power supply, you won't have any issues, which is why I'll be buying one.

As for the results, I meant in terms of scaling. Those benches are @ 1440 x 900. A year back I saw some ridiculous benchmark where the 4870 had better benchmarks than both 280 and 285 in Crysis @ 1920 x 1200 and above. Perhaps I meant 4870 x2, but whatever the case, there's still benchmarks around that prove the ATI cards do better than the nVidia ones in Crysis, because it is a unique game.



In the above benchmark you can clearly see a 4870 1gb doing better than the 275 and 280, despite the 280 having twice the memory interface. It isn't like this for other games. In the aforementioned benchmark, the resolution was higher, and I saw framerates of the 285 drop significantly compared to 4870.

If you want to examine a true case of fanboyism, go and examine DxPlayer's posts.

edit: The EVGA 470 has been newegg's Top Seller for about a week now. I hope that says something.

[-TheSpecialist-]

Those numbers appear to be exponentially higher than normal at that resolution; are they running at medium settings?

[clyzm]

I believe Performance level with no AA.

[DxPlayer]

I'm not even going to bother arguing with you. You just repeat the same stuff over and over again which is in direct violation of the basic principles of discussion and argument, and your stubbornness rivals that of a donkey. Good day to you sir. If you continue to contribute nothing more to the topic other than the same case presented over and over again, I will warn you for spamming.

Excuse me sir, but your arguments are pretty repetitive too and full of non-sense.

First of all your comparison of energy/power is only applicable if you are talking about mechanics and/or physics, electric devices can convert the energy (electricity) they receive into many things, in the case of a GPU the energy is used to make a complex system that processes and draws computer graphics works. The final result can be optimized and its not related to your energy/power talk, you can check by yourself it in the Tom's Hardware Average Power Consumption comparison I just posted here in the beginning of the discussion.

About the discussion about which GPU is cheaper you were right, GTX480 cards are cheaper, but it's not the best cost-benefit because 5970 is a dual gpu video card and the performance is much better than 480's, the price difference is small if you look that way.

Well sir,
Good bye.

[clyzm]

"mechanics and/or physics"

So electrical GPUs don't work by the laws of physics, is what you're trying to tell me?



You need to realize that while you're on to something about the 480's inefficiency with power consumption, which is true, saying blatantly general things like "the 5970 has more power" will greatly invalidate your entire argument. Has more power in what? Rendering? Because it can simply play some games at a faster FPS rate, totally ignoring the design and architecture, not to mention the optimization, of said games? Because rendering is a simple term and not a complex one at all which involves several procedures?